On 11/19/2016 08:32 AM, John Newman wrote:

LOL. Amusing.. umm.. anecdote about Owsley :)  

MDMA was first synthesized by Merck I think early 20th century.
Alexander Shulgin definitely tried it in the 70s. He has a whole book
that came out a while later about all the dope he cooked up and tried on
himself with his schedule 1 DEA license (he could "legally" cook
anything he wanted up, and he _was_ a trained chemist).

I was being flippant with my MDMA remark anyway ;) Although I think it
does compare favorably to most other drugs.. pot is definitely more benign
than ecstacy, but I don't really consider pot a drug. Also, and I don't
really want to get off in the weeds here too much, but you can buy MDMA
test kits pretty cheap, and use sites like pillreports, etc. 

John

Pot's not a drug. It's a category of medicine not recognized by Allopathic medicine. A 'tonic'.

I live in a culture that's full of tweekers and ravers and one thing I know for sure. Keep at it and the 'permaspin' is almost identical. (Along with damaged teeth from gritting them. Why DO you think Ravers developed a whole new adult market for pacifiers?) Never saw that much permaspin in LSD daze. Most of the people who spun, unless they otherwise damaged themselves or were caught and institutionalized and medicated causing it's own sort of permanent nightmares, came back to Earth eventually. I don't see that with MDMA. the spin is permanent. Just like Meth.

I also don't understand why, with the advent of "Mushroom kits" etc, anyone would mess with chemical crap. Compared to Mushrooms MDMA is a pitiful excuse for a 'psychedelic' unless you really don't want a psychedelic experience and just want to be, predictably, a 'love puddle'.

The idea WAS NOT 'to get high'. Not to 'bliss out'.

The idea was to experience, and learn.

Abie Hoffman took L, and it caused a great creative surge that caused him to break from the Civil Rights movement and Saul Alinsky style politics, 'Grok' on Marcuse, RD Laing, and develop something entirely different, and very effective, to politicize the unpoliticizable... Hedonist hippies, into cultural antiwar activists.

That would have NEVER happened if he'd been taking MDMA... It's a 'control drug'. It controls people's minds it does NOT liberate them.It's about 'feeling groovy' not 'being the groove'.

My $0.02c

Rr


On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 08:07:52AM -0800, Razer wrote:

MDMA is 'designer methamphetamine

Do you how fucked up you look Tweaker?

Tweaker!Tweaker! Tweaker!

But I'm a Raver!

Tweaker!Tweaker! Tweaker!

 But I'm a HIPSTER!

Tweaker!Tweaker! Tweaker!


Fuck you pharmapoisons. I took the best L on the planet back in the 60s,
and even THEN 99 percent of what was going around was ABSOLUTE GARBAGE.

Now it's ALL garbage, and so is you delusion that it came from some
Czechoslovakian lab where they have a secret stash of Ergotamine
Tartrate, a warehouse full, and the Indole too! Number #35 Blue Sylvania
bulb? Nah! The DEA and every other drug enforcement agency on the planet
isn't going to notice when you order a case of them... Right. Sure.

Here's someone who knew Owsley personally on the topic.

March 15 2011 Travus T. Hipp Morning News & Commentary: Owsley, The Man
Who 'Changed The Minds' Of An Entire Generation... Literally... Passes

https://archive.org/details/tth_110315

Here's a synopsis. Owsley was a SPEEDFREAK, and the ONLY THING that made
him different than any other cooker was HE TRIED THE SHIT BEFORE HE SOLD
IT, instead of using YOU as the guinea pig.

He knew shit about chemistry. His GF was studying at UCB and was mostly
responsible for making sure he did it sort of right.... when he wasn't
too spun.

As Gil Scott-Heron put it the only problem with streetcorner chemists is
they can't remember if it's a little bit of this, and little bit of this
and a LOT of that... Or was that a littttlllle biiitttt offff thiiis and
A lOT oF tHaT?

Cued up ... Live in '83 right here...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78tTKTkz778&feature=youtu.be&t=20m16s

Rr

Ps. His 'Peace Tabs' were goooooood! If you knew how to spot the fakes.