On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 17:06:59 -0500 John Newman <jnn@synfin.org> wrote:
On Dec 13, 2016, at 2:49 PM, juan wrote: Oh yes. Moderation is not literally "outright censorship". It is "outright censorship" with a different name. No doubt the change of name makes it wholly different.
A thought experiment: you have a group chat, irc or XMPP or whatever. There are a few dozen people or so in the group (doesn't really matter the number), it's a technical discussion about programming... <whatever> - some collaborative open source project.
By your standards, is it censorship to kick ban a troll(s)
Yes it is. By the way, it's quite clear that the term troll can be used to mean anything. Just look at arch-trolls like rayzer or quinn whining about trolls. And at the 'technical' level 1) Last time I checked IRC had an /ignore nick command. 2) I would have thought people in this list would be searching for decentralized, censorship-resistent systems, not the opposite in which an 'admin' has somehow gotten divine powers and rights.
that keeps joining the chat, talks totally off topic bullshit, disrupting actual productive conversation/work ?
Also, please don't pretend I'm arguing for moderation on cypherpunks
I don't pretend anything. It seems clear that you are arguing for censorship *in general*. You can add the proviso that you don't want censorship in this list which is fine and a start, but you are still arguing for censorship. Or analyzing censorship by means of thought experients =P
- I'm not, I never have, and I think it's an awful fit for this list.
It is an awful fit for any communication medium.