On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 08:34:05AM -0700, Rayzer wrote:
1. What are alternatives to tor (possibly with less functionality)? from the top of my head: dissent, riffle, i2p, mixminion pynchon-gate percy++
NONE of these are intended for the same target audience as tor. IOW NONE of the above could CONCEIVABLY be used by a journalist or computer-illiterate dissident in Tanzania right NOW.
this was not my interpretation of "alternatives to tor", and surely some come with much reduced functionality, percy++ just being a library. there's much more use-cases than using a browser anonymously, in some of these use-cases tor can indeed be replaced by these technologies. also i still consider that some people on this list are actually building stuff, instead of being overly verbose, and for those, at least pynchon gate and percy++ should be interesting building blocks. a real alternative to tor would tackle the GPA issue, for that i think the only solution is high-latency, that means also that browsing the web will be quite a different experience with such. btw david chaums cmix is also an interesting inspiration for a replacement in certain use-cases, but surely not in general either. and not for dissidents in tanzania now (which was no explicit requirement anyways). but then those dissidents probably have also problems with computers in general including tor.
And honestly, imho, I2P is probably just a compromises as tor, but it's so much more fucking obuscurant, to hide that possibility. I tried using it for a while. Fucking useless and continues to be so.
we agree on this one. however this was not the point of the question i believe, and as such fits as an answer. -- otr fp: https://www.ctrlc.hu/~stef/otr.txt