FWIW then, though this is a miresome digression, I mean by "Parent" the "person whose responsibility it is the welfare and upbringing of the child". Guardian, foster, whatever.

On 31 May 2015 11:12:00 GMT+01:00, "Lodewijk andré de la porte" <l@odewijk.nl> wrote:
2015-05-31 2:33 GMT-07:00 Cathal (Phone) <cathalgarvey@cathalgarvey.me>:
I'm not one to call parents who surveil children "Orwellian": a parent's job is to prepare a child for the world and protect them from the world.

We are all children of the state



(child is badly defined, the role of parents is culturally defined and not something logically following from the production of babies, although the caretaking at least is pretty preprogrammed)

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