On Wed, 21 Dec 2016 19:23:22 +0000 (UTC) jim bell <jdb10987@yahoo.com> wrote:
Juan, I'm still waiting for you to justify your claim that Christopher Cantwell isn't a libertarian.
As luck would have it I replied to your previous message literally 10 seconds before you sent this one. So my reply should be just arriving =P
Your merely pointing to his assertion that libertarians shouldn't be (or need not be) in favor of open borders, simply highlights which side of the argument you are on: It doesn't say that Cantwell is necessarily wrong. It would help your position immensely if you could point to a substantial number of positions Cantwell has taken which libertarians would generally agree that contradict libertarian philosophy.
It doesn't matter if he got 7 out of 10 positions right but still tries to justify anti-libertarian aberrations like state borders. I
suggest you read https://christophercantwell.com/2015/12/06/why-libertarians-are-hopeless/ which I include a segment of, below. I suspect you are exactly the kind of problem that Cantwell is referring to: People of the left who are simply pretending to be "libertarian".
Right back at you. You and cantwell are right wing/conservatives pretending to be libertarians. Which is actually quite common in the 'libertarian' movement because it's kinda easy to dishonestly twist libertarianism into a defense of the status quo. You know, all those poor big business who pay too much taxes, let's bail them out again. × Jim Bell
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Why Libertarians Are Corrupted By The Left
Spare me the typically RIGHT WING, mccarthist nonsense. Haven't you learned yet that libertarianism is not left wing NOR right wing? cantwell should be talking abou how libertarianism is corrupted by right wingers like him. Then again, thanks for illustrasting that cantwell is a RIGHT WINGER or CONSERVATIVE, not a libertarian.
I should again explain, I am discussing libertarians, not libertarianism. The following critique would rightly be met with complaints by well read Rothbardians as containing a great many falsehoods. I have made these complaints repeatedly myself.In their efforts to grow their numbers, and in the face of perpetual frustrations in getting wolves and rabbits to shrug off their evolutionary psychology, libertarian groups have resorted to recruiting non-libertarians into their ranks. This presumably was perceived as a competitive advantage in a political system which favors numbers over reasoned arguments or factual correctness.In the course of so doing, it is my perception that leftists are particularly more prone to swing toward libertarian social circles than rightists, due primarily to a lack of ingroup preference. It is not that they become libertarians or suddenly shrug off their rodent like evolutionary psychology. They are simply more prone to novelty seeking ,and lack any group loyalty or attachment to any particular idea. They are still rodents, but they realize they can have a higher social status in this smaller group than in their larger openly left wing group. A left libertarian blogger may become the envy of his left libertarian peers, but would accomplish absolutely nothing when competing against the vast expanse of mainstream liberal media.The rightist on the other hand is less prone to novelty seeking, has a higher ingroup preference, and is more averse to radical changes in the existing social and economic order. Additionally, he is aware that his inferior numbers make his absence in a democratic contest far more consequential than that of the leftist. So he is far more averse to radically altering his thinking, his social circles, or his political activity to favor a more libertarian order.Thus, while libertarianism as a well thought out philosophy would be more appealing to the rightist than the leftist, the leftist gains undue influence in the libertarian social and political scene. That leftist influence dilutes the body of thought as left tainted media is produced and distracts from the writings of the Rothbards and Hoppes of the world. They focus on equality and diversity, which are not libertarian goals in the slightest. They will favor recruiting women and non-whites into libertarian scenes, even as these demographics tend to work against libertarian goals. More leftists are attracted to the left tainted libertarian media, and so more leftists are introduced into the social and political circles and thus the cycle perpetuates itself to a point where economics are barely even part of the discussion, and instead it descends into senseless race baiting, feminism, and dare I incur the ire of my regular readers by saying it, irrational hatred of military and law enforcement. [end of partial quote]