On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 10:24:56AM +0300, Georgi Guninski wrote:
On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 05:01:06PM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
I see the climate changes in my lifetime so it is "fact" for me.
I see no one disputing climate change. Quite the contrary.
Don't follow climate statistics (some may say numerology), but natural climate change should be _very slow_ IMHO and not detectable in a single lifetime at all, except at the border of something big.
I disagree - it's a chaotic system, chaotic as in fractal chaos theory chaotic, meaning that a small change in one spot can cause a big change elsewhere, butterfly effect and all that. So we see whole ocean flows change in a period of 3 years or less, and the consequence being England goes from quite balmy to ice and snow all year round, and vice versa. And, in one person's lifetime. Long term global weather is a chaotic system. Long term global anthropogenic temperature effects are currently most politely described as "scientific theory" - and frankly that's a bit generous - humans being human and all, mathematical models "attempting to prove weather science" are not exactly solid beyond a few weeks. But hey, I'm just a conspiracy theorist, don't mind me :)