On Sun, 13 Oct 2019 07:54:53 +0000 (UTC)
jim bell <jdb10987@yahoo.com> wrote:


>> Why not implement an entirely new anonymization network?
   
 >   You should talk to roger ver and convince him of funding/promoting such a thing. Have him put his money where his mouth is. I say "you" because you have serious cypherpunks credentials so he should at least listen to you.

Okay, sounds like an excellent idea.  I will do that. 

 But let's flesh out some of the numbers and practices.  Shouldn't take more than a few hours or at most a couple days, to give everybody an input. 

This   https://www.amazon.com/CanaKit-Raspberry-4GB-Basic-Starter/dp/B07VYC6S56/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=raspberry+pi+4&qid=1571002803&sr=8-5  appears to be a representative sample of a Raspberry Pi 4 board, in kit form, 4 gigabyte of RAM (I guess they must mean SDCard, right, and not ordinary SRAM or DRAM?  SD wears out, right?), with cables, a clear plastic box.  $85 in quantity one.   What discounts there will be in quantity 1000, I do not know.   

(I'm not choosing this particular one, necessarily, just using it as what appears to be a representative sample of the concept.)

Can we agree that 1,000 quantity will be a good initial "critical mass" for this project? TOR is currently larger,  https://metrics.torproject.org/networksize.html but 1000 is still a good start.

While hypothetically node operators might receive some sort of subsidy (in full or in part) for their internet-service cost, it's also plausible that their Internet payment will be their "skin in the game", their contribution to the project.  Centurylink offers 1 gigabit/second service for $65 plus tax.  The speed itself is only one part of the issue.  I think there is no data limit for their 1 gigabit service; their slower services may have a 1 terabyte/month limit.  

>    As to 'entirely new', it seems to me that a high latency mixing network (which is not a 'new' design) is desirable. Such a network should allow people to communicate using non-real-time messages, instead of allowing them to browse jewtube. Low latency/real time networks and communications seem a lot harder to secure."

What I'm thinking of is a programmable-latency network, say anything from 1 to 256 hops.  Although, it would be hard to imagine needing more than 16, I suppose.

This is a list of proposed 'improvements' to TOR.   https://blog.torproject.org/tor-design-proposals-how-we-make-changes-our-protocol