Re: [tor-relays] Would you place your secrets or in worst case make your life

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On 13 Feb 2020, at 22:05, zwiebeln wrote: Would you place your secrets or in worst case make your life depended on a network that is 21 percent controlled by a single person that you don't know?

https://nusenu.github.io/OrNetStats/allexitfamilies

I think we should start an open debate on that fact, best ending up with giving some recommendations. I am sure that question is relevant to torproject.org as well.

On 2/16/20, teor wrote:

A quick reminder to everyone on this list: this list is moderated. Please keep your replies helpful and on topic. So please ask questions in a way that assumes good faith: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_faith You'll be more likely to get a helpful answer. Again, please keep your replies helpful and on topic.

Does the world need unnecessary prior restraint threatchill politically correct rewording school over potentially alternate nongroupthink and or counter data analysis or viewpoint freespeech necessary to an open debate as requested by OP. Unfortunately many entities in the world trend such control when incorporated, $50-100+k salaries start being depended upon, YouTube channels censored to keep tidy public message, bury evidences, etc. Cigarettes were hide to cause cancer for decades, what if people knew those facts? Tor is increasingly analyzed by analysts over years due its mass, others care for its users too, etc. Resulting in growing public knowledge of effective adversarial research and exploit of its design and operations limitations, assumptions, oversights, etc. That is reasonable, good process, and occurs with all apps throughout their lifetime. Let all networks not shy from fact and supposition, as they can be good to know, and lead to good improvement in all networks. Perhaps even collate them into known adversarial research list, and a frequent list leaving no side out.

So it's not really helpful to single out a particular operator or network.

OP was not accusing anything, merely questioning one such weakness, one that is quite easy to observe, and reasonable to hope see addressed in tor or whatever other network. On 2/17/20, zwiebeln wrote:

There is only a small path between moderation and censorship – to get my message released after four days is close to…

Your answer Theo is rather technical and doesn't apply really on the underlying question:

„Would you place your secrets or in worst case make your life depended on a network that is 21 percent controlled by a single person that you don't know?“

Your assumption: „But ultimately, if we doubled tor's exit bandwidth, this issue would go away. That's the best solution to this problem.“ - is wrong. The Exit only https://metrics.torproject.org/bandwidth-flags.html?start=2017-11-19&end=2020-02-17 has more than doubled in the last two years – while the exit probability of this single person decupled.

„Perhaps you could run more relays?“ - I am with the project now for more than three years an do run a exit probability somewhere close to 2 percent, that i don't like to increase, because i think it is a more than healthy fraction for a singe person – so why do you insinuate, my question is not in a „good faith“?

I hope more people do come on board of this discussion now!

[Dropped at tor-talk as general note]