dear razor soldiers sign up to be filmed as far as i am concerned they have sold themselves - the journalist was not in the frame so i dont see why you think it relates to this argument - i think soldiers should always be filmed like the cops because i think the role they play is super psychotic - maybe if the images of them and what they are doing were distributed more it would be helpful i think it would have been ethical for scahill to film the dead body in the morgue - it would be great if they had the permission of the family but... its that he was in the frame thats really my big problem also the person in the scene with scahill - a white man - is a person of color (POC) which also was super problematic for me On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 2:02 AM, Cari Machet <carimachet@gmail.com> wrote:
mirimir - heres some fucked up people (laura poitras) talkin about the shit
https://youtu.be/KzZfOOvwAMM?t=22m44s
i found that area of the report its at 22:44 the link should take you there
even laura at least thinks about when to film / when not to
btw she talked snowden into filming in hong kong - was it ethical for her to do it as he was under incredible duress?? i dont know .... i question her and glenns role and wikileaks role in him being now trapped in russia but maybe its the best place for him i dont know ... but i still get to question the ethics of their role... there are other places he could have gone
my problem with laura as with jeremy is that they are too capitalistic and therein breech ethics
On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 12:27 AM, Mirimir <mirimir@riseup.net> wrote:
mirimir - you prove you know what was in the mind of the filmmaker and
On 04/06/2015 04:01 PM, Cari Machet wrote: then
prove that the overriding factor in any documentary is absolutely what was in the mind of the filmmaker
I prove nothing. I have opinions.
could it possible be that the story matters more than the filmmaker - ya think maybe ? maybe possibly ?
What matters most, to me, is that he made the documentary. And in that context, it seems odd to focus on his artistic (even moral) choices in how to make it.
plus your 'proposiition' is not evidence - its no excuse for him exploiting a dead body anyway
You say "exploiting", and I say "making it real".
people when you are an ethical journalist you are careful not to exploit images of children, people that are unconscious etc as they do not have a say in the image content - if this is breeched it is possible they are being exploited but to then place oneself in the frame is just beyond all of that even - that is totally unethical
So you say. Do you have cites for that?
On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 11:28 PM, Mirimir <mirimir@riseup.net> wrote:
On 04/06/2015 02:45 PM, Cari Machet wrote:
scahill was being filmed in the fucking morgue not at the site of the drone strike - the persons body was on a slab for fuck sake
ambulance chasing times 1 trillion
The point, which you seem to miss, was to make it real for the audience. It would have been better to shoot footage at the site of the drone strike, of course. But I presume that the crew didn't arrive in time for that. Anyway, by putting Scahill in the shot, they emphasize that he was there, and actually saw the victims. That could be CGIed, and so the audience still needs to trust him.
you humans can give him every fucking award that exists in your arsenal... i wont line up
On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 10:13 PM, Mirimir <mirimir@riseup.net> wrote:
On 04/06/2015 12:22 PM, Bethany wrote: > > > > On 06/04/15 12:59 PM, Cari Machet wrote: >> its not a 'claim' watch his film that was up for an academy award > >> there is a scene in mogadishu where he is in the morgue there is a > dead body and him in the scene he is standing right next to it - the > person was hit by a drone strike > >> no journalist gets filmed with dead bodies it is unethical it never > happens > >> perhaps if you were a journalist in the field you would understand > > > > Absolutely. The first thing any good journalist should think when he's > investigating drone strikes and is permitted to witness the examination > of a body of a victim is "shit, don't film me here, where I am! So gauche!"
You're being ironic, I trust.
I rather think that "Dirty Wars" should have shown lots of remains, and sequences of people looking for little burned bits scattered about. Maybe the film did feature too much of Scahill. He's no Michael Moore. But a scene showing Obama receiving some gift made from a victim's femur would have been priceless :)
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