On Sun, Sep 04, 2016 at 10:55:24AM -0700, Razer wrote:
On 09/04/2016 10:37 AM, oshwm wrote:
Should the list really be forwarding new people to pastebin considering it sits behind Cloudflare?
Pastebin is using Cloudflare?
Sigh... add another to the shit list.
Thanks for pointing this out. I didn't realize it either. It's a pretty good little page, though, and I didn't know about it until it was mentioned here last week. The page: http://pastebin.com/irj4Fyd5 It turns out that the content is available on a few other sites, including Cryptome. So, I linked to it there, instead: https://cryptome.org/2012/07/gent-forum-spies.htm For those who enjoy a good read on some of these topics, you might enjoy the WWII-era "Simple Sabotage Field Manual." CIA released it in 2008: https://www.cia.gov/news-information/featured-story-archive/2012-featured-st... Project Gutenberg did proofreading etc.: http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/26184 In fiction, many of those techniques were rediscovered (e.g., https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Monkey_Wrench_Gang). Likewise in real life (e.g., Weyler's Greenpeace, https://books.google.ca/books?id=M1GW445y2n4C&redir_esc=y and http://earthmanifesto.com/). In forums like Cypherpunks, we enjoy some of the Simple Sabotage techniques daily. I especially appreciate the demands to provide full evidence and citations to any claims. Also the indigenent objections that COINTELPRO techniques are ancient history, and no such thing happens any more. - Greg
Or maybe the list really isn't what it used to be?
oshwm.
On 04/09/16 18:33, Greg Newby wrote:
Dear Zenaan, Georgi:
Good suggestions, thanks! I edited the list public HTML based on what's below, and also the nice Pastebin article that was posted here recently.
https://lists.cpunks.org/mailman/listinfo
- Greg
On Sat, Sep 03, 2016 at 09:31:12PM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
On Sat, Sep 03, 2016 at 02:23:48PM +0300, Georgi Guninski wrote:
The wikipedia page on cypherpunks have nothing to do with the current state of this list. History gets rewritten (from experience).
I suggest after list discussion the list admins to put a warning on the list web page. Something along the lines of (clearly needs rewriting):
==== The list is not it used to be and has nothing to do with the wikipedia page.
The list has spooks, paid trolls, other similar whores and possibly crackpots.
Some of them post actively, others rarely.
Their motivation might include: * social engineering * manipulating opinions * profiting from the past reputation of the term cypherpunk * killing the list
"What You See is NOT What You Get"
Use common sense when reading or posting to the list. ====
Excellent suggestion - full disclosure and pre-forewarning is highly recommended. We have a duty of care to newcomers to make sure they don't get involved in anything they might want to not get involved in, and they ought be suitably forewarned :)