Hi there, Dnia wtorek, 13 stycznia 2015 15:14:06 Robert Hettinga pisze:
The question is not about encrypted materials, but about encryption algorithms and tools, as far as I understand.
Patents and copyrights aren’t property. They’re government granted monopolies. They’re no more property than your driver’s license.
Well, I have posted this link on this list at least several times, but here it goes again: http://copyspeak.org/intellectual-property tl;dr we're agreed here
Property is the application of mind to *matter*, to quote a great Flash animation.
Yes.
An idea can not be property. Ever.
Absolutely.
So. Again. If it’s *encrypted*, and I have the key, it’s my property. I control the physical bits. Otherwise it’s not my property.
It is not, actually. If you're going for such a strong definition of property, with which I can agree, than let's stay coherent, shall we? The property of yours is the physical device the bits are saved on. The harddrive, DVD, pendrive, whatever. That's your *property*. The encrypted data is just this: encrypted data. Otherwise you would find yourself in an interesting world where applying encryption to data (both of which are not property, right) magically transforms something immaterial and "not-property" into "property". That's the world the MPAA's/RIAA's/MAFIAA's are trying to create, look no further than the DMCA, under which even the simplest encryption algorithm (say, ROT13) applied to copyrighted material by the rights holder makes it illegal for others to publish the key (in this case, 13), as it becomes the "property" of the encrypting party. Look it up. Data, encrypted or not, are not property; however, they can fall under a number of state-granted monopolies, as you have said. Here, I even changed the topic of this e-mail for your convenience. And in this vein my previous mail has been written -- as far as I understand, the original question was about how encryption *algorithms* (and *not* encrypted data itself) should be handled from the Imaginary Property Law standpoint (so: patents, copyrights, etc). And I have provided an answer from my perspective in said previous mail. -- Pozdrawiam, Michał "rysiek" Woźniak Zmieniam klucz GPG :: http://rys.io/pl/147 GPG Key Transition :: http://rys.io/en/147