On 08/11/2018 02:05 PM, juan wrote:
On Fri, 10 Aug 2018 10:43:07 -0700 Mirimir <mirimir@riseup.net> wrote:
On 08/09/2018 08:42 PM, juan wrote:
On Thu, 9 Aug 2018 15:01:46 -0700 Mirimir <mirimir@riseup.net> wrote:
So? Well, if they [mix networks] are not being implemented, they're not very useful.
Sure, there are better options. But they're not currently implemented at useful scale. How can you use a mix network that exists only as an academic paper, and perhaps some tens of people testing it?
Oh my bad. I misread and thought you said they were not being implemented because they could not possibly be useful. Since you had said that tor was 'good enough' for AP, I assumed that you further added that slow mix networks were not really needed, so no demand and no supply.
But you are saying that a critical mass of users is required, which is of course true, and something I never denied...So not sure how that comment of yours is 'helpful'? =)
OK, I'm glad. We at least agree that better anonymity networks are needed. In particular, higher-latency mix networks with padding. And I think that we agree that lack of demand has stalled implementation, even though there have been proposals. And so, I'm going to drop the rest of the discussion about this, because I'm tired of it ;) I was serious about Riffle, though :) <SNIP>
One of the major Russian marketplaces is (or was) on I2P. Also lots of porn and CP, predictably.
By now I'm starting to suspect that your definition of 'child porn' is that of the puritan, jew-kristian, american government? Any girl under 18 wearing a bikini is 'child porn'? And even going by such 'definition' I don't think there's "lots of CP' on i2p or tor.
Furthermore, you can find that sort of 'CP' on clearnet...
Ummm, no :) There are still many extreme .onion sites. Mainly "hard candy". A quick scan yielded eight that were up when I checked: Child a Priori - because children always come first http://7vd5mehclc2zw4sw.onion/ Dark Scandals [pwned cam whores] http://darksdsp6iexyidx.onion/ Hijab FUCK Girls http://hijabxq3ctj6oufk.onion/ Little Cute Girls http://girlsk34dlwyaqex.onion/ Loli Lust http://lolimknaduomuzdr.onion Sea Kitten Palace [gore, torture and Disney] http://wtwfzc6ty2s6x4po.onion/ Teen Deepthroat http://qa4t6wjhl4gzl5in.onion/ videos for Bitcoin Youngest Girls http://hq4etj553otlzb5m.onion/ Even so, the collections on Freenet are far more extensive. <SNIP>
"in the past you could find links on reddit to .onion sites that kinda looked 'uncensored'. Those sites do not exist anymore. But feel free to prove me wrong and POST EVIDENCE, that is, links to content that the 'authorities' would like to remove but can't. "
OK, let me see. I don't spend much time on .onion sites. Many sites did disappear over the past year or two.
Many sites disappear EVERY year or two. That is, they don't LAST more than a year or two. And that's always been so.
And actually it's probably getting worse because there isn't any upgrate to tor whereas you can expect the traffic analyisis capabilities of the enemy to be upgraded all the time.
OK, so I have spent a few hours rooting around for .onion sites. There are multiple forks of The Hidden Wiki, plus a hard candy fork: The Hidden Wiki [semi censored version] http://zqktlwi465r2mxfw.onion/wiki/Main_Page.php The Uncensored Hidden Wiki [but no hard candy] http://2zmcyrryihrpdzka.onion/wiki/index.php/Main_Page http://uhwikih256ynt57t.onion/wiki/index.php/Main_Page http://uhwikihjqzr5tyll.onion/wiki/index.php/Main_Page Central Park [including some hard candy] http://boysopidonajtogl.onion/ Then there are a few search engines: Ahima [search, fast, doesn't return many dead sites] http://msydqstlz2kzerdg.onion/ not Evil [search, returns many dead sites, some marked as dead] http://hss3uro2hsxfogfq.onion/ OnionLand Search Engine [heavily censored] http://3bbaaaccczcbdddz.onion Also some discussion sites: Galaxy3 [general discussion] http://galaxy3m2mn5iqtn.onion/ Hidden Answers [very diverse] http://answerstedhctbek.onion The Hub [dark marketplace stuff] http://thehub7xbw4dc5r2.onion/ I did find a few cracking/hacking sites: 0day [hacking forum, also clearnet] http://qzbkwswfv5k2oj5d.onion/ AN0NYM0US'z F0RUM [hacking forum] http://rhe4faeuhjs4ldc5.onion/ Codex [cracking forum] http://codexqutu7ytbguw.onion/ Torum ["cyber security" forum] http://gf2juatsqdph6x2h.onion/ But most of the old standards are gone, such as Dark0de, Mazafaka and Trojanforge. And "not Evil" returns numerous dead cracking/hacking .onion URLs. So anyway, it's my guess that most of the cracking/hacking sites, and lots of other weird shit, were on shared .onion hosting that's been taken down. And conversely, it's arguable that the surviving hard candy sites are self hosted. Survival of the fittest, you know. But of course, it's also possible (or even likely) that those hard candy sites are just honeypots. As Playpen was, in the FBI's Operation Pacifier. That's rather sad. But maybe now there's a strong market for secure .onion hosting services :) <SNIP>