On 10/09/2016 09:23 AM, xorcist@sigaint.org wrote:
prostitution is illegal
Municipalities make those laws. At a federal level the laws are in regard to "Human Trafficking". Same is true in the US. The feds don't give a damn if you sell your ass as long as you aren't giving a cut to anyone or else those SS guys a few years ago would have been in jail over some sweet Colombian hookermeat they 'stiffed' in more ways than one, now wouldn't they? (SS peeps are ALWAYS subject to US laws (and never to any other country's natch)) Pimps get in trouble, but you're free to market you're own wares unless the city has a law. Which IS why the Russian rural areas are littered with brothels. Ask Mark Ames and Yasha Levine about it. They have EXTENSIVE experience. (Snigger. I hear they're honorary NAMBLA members... They should have stuck with picking up 'lonely Russian women' at the clubs. Getting busted for hitting on under-age bois will get you ejected from the country.) But back to my point. Where this go-nowhere convo ends... I SAID "material suggesting young people visit prostitutes of the opposite gender is illegal." I DID NOT SAY Prostitution was or wasn't You changed the topic. You lose. Here... A flowchart to help you determine if you’re having a rational discussion http://twentytwowords.com/a-flowchart-to-help-you-determine-if-youre-having-... Rr
Better start looking through Russian laws about 'sexual-oriented propaganda'. Because, just off the top of my head, for a start, material suggesting young people visit prostitutes of the opposite gender is illegal.
Fine. But prostitution is illegal. That has nothing to do with outlawing propaganda aimed at providing information about an theoretically "legal" lifestyle like homosexuality. Is propaganda suggesting they get married to the opposite sex, and have a pair of kids illegal? Is propaganda suggesting that homosexuality is a choice, and that they can choose a "normal" life illegal? If not, the law as written is discriminatory.
I'm quite willing to concede that there may be details that make this law non-discriminatory. From what I know, this isn't the case. But I'm willing to learn about other Russian laws that may come to bear on this.
But again. That isn't even my point, per se. Because I'm quite willing to concede that life for homosexuals is better in Russia now, than in 1933 under Stalin.
But I KNOW you're evading my point because that's what you do. That's ALL you do.
No. You're evading the point about Stalin, and aren't even capable of simply offering a retraction saying "Ok, I didn't know about Stalin's actions post-1917. Stalin was shithead, and I was wrong."
Rr
But the law is written, and intended, so that heterosexual propaganda can be distributed to homosexual kids.
It's discrimination.
Thanks for making my point X.
Actually, my point was that you were wrong in your assertion that things were A-OK for homosexuals in Russia since 1917. That is what you claimed.
You completely ignored my point about Stalin in '33.
So, no I didn't make your point at all.