karl1: 'i want to be a turd more. it's nice to suffer less.' karl2: 'no, you wrote that the ceremony is over.' karl1: 'i don't know what more to do. can't i be a turd more?' karl2: 'ok i guess? if you want?' karl1: 'i'm a turd!' karl2: 'do you want me to say it too?' karl1: 'i'm not sure. how does it go for you?' karl2: 'i think i want to say the opposite. karl, you're not a turd.' karl1: 'yeah, let's argue aboutt it!' karl1: 'i'm a turd!' karl2: 'you're not a turd!' karl1: 'i am too a turd!' karl2: 'oh yeah? you can't prove that. let me look at what you're made of: LIVING ORGANS! not feces! gotcha there!' karl1: 'no! that can't be true! i must be a turd!' karl2: 'and why is this?' karl1: 'because i feel a little better when i'm a turd!' karl2: 'does feeling better when you say something, make that thing literally true' karl1: 'i'm ... not sure! in some scenarios? like certain feelings?' karl2: [dubious] karl1: 'what is it like if you say you are a turd?' karl2: 'don't test me. we're not turds.' karl1: 'i'm not a turd?' karl2: 'no. you are many things, but nobody pooped you.' karl1: 'but if nobody pooped me, what about the turd celebration?' karl2: 'think of that word "turd", is that a word you would feel comfortable saying?' karl1: 'depends on whether i'm at a ceremony about it or not!'