On 26/09/18 22:24, juan wrote:
On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 08:53:56 +0100 Peter Fairbrother <peter@tsto.co.uk> wrote:
Now this does look like a fucking "major conflagration" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hSPFL2Zlpg
No. It certainly doesn't look structurally significant.
OK - The building is engulfed in flames but you don't call that a 'major conflagration'.
Not as in the video, especially as I thought it was scaffolding which was burning. Even so, it's only the outside of the building which is burning, it isn't particularly destructive as yet. [.]
Where's the scaffolding?
Mea culpa, I was confusing it with Shanghai 2010. In the video it was most probably cladding not scaffolding burning. It was still outside the main structure. Not structurally threatening. Yet I included it, where I excluded Shanghai 2010 (?rc?) and this (reinforced concrete, nice timelapse) because the fire didn't get into the center of the building: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPCL3sNVBcM The point of my note on Beijing TVCC was that I don't know the actual extent of the fire. I believe that is because of Chinese reticence and the lingering censorship. To be included in the structurally significant category we are looking for evidence of duration and extent. Roughly, a raging uncontrolled fire for an hour or more, over most of several floors, ie in the center of the building not just the exterior. In Beijing TVCC I haven't seen evidence of a raging uncontrolled fire in the center of the building (your video only shows a small part of the outside of the building burning). But I included it anyway, under guesswork, because I thought it most likely would have been larger than we see in the videos. I am still not sure Beijing TVCC counts. Take a look at this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ybvp6KoVH_E Yes much of the outside burned - but did the inside? Also, is that very large core steel, or is it concrete? I have seen some concrete lower parts shown elsewhere ... hmmm... A bit of research later, the Beijing TVCC entry should read: Beijing TV Cultural Center 2009 rc/steel My apologies, it isn't a steel-framed building after all. -- Peter Fairbrother