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For a polynomial with rational coefficients, `RootOf`/`all_roots()` can represent **all roots exactly at arbitrary degree**, while `nroots()` numerically approximates all roots of any polynomial whose coefficients can be numerically evaluated. citeturn204716search0\n\nFor example:\n\n```python\nfrom sympy import *\n\nx = symbols('x')\np = x**5 - x + 1\n\nprint(Poly(p, x).all_roots())\n```\n\ngives conceptually\n\n```text\n[\n    CRootOf(x**5 - x + 1, 0),\n    CRootOf(x**5 - x + 1, 1),\n    CRootOf(x**5 - x + 1, 2),\n    CRootOf(x**5 - x + 1, 3),\n    CRootOf(x**5 - x + 1, 4)\n]\n```\n\nThose aren't approximations. Each means **“this particular exactly identified root of this polynomial.”** You can subsequently ask for 20, 100, or 10,000 digits.\n\nOr:\n\n```python\nnroots(p, n=50)\n```\n\ngets numerical approximations.\n\n**NumPy** already solves arbitrary finite-degree polynomials numerically:\n\n```python\nimport numpy as np\n\n# coefficients low degree -> high degree:\np = np.polynomial.Polynomial([1, -1, 0, 0, 0, 1])\n\nprint(p.roots())\n```\n\nNumPy's current implementation obtains the roots as eigenvalues of a **companion matrix**. citeturn241627search36\n\nAnd this is the particularly neat bit.\n\nGiven\n\n\\[\np(x)=a_nx^n+a_{n-1}x^{n-1}+\\cdots+a_1x+a_0,\n\\]\n\nyou construct an \\(n\\times n\\) matrix whose eigenvalues are **exactly the roots of \\(p\\)**.\n\nSo polynomial root finding can be reduced to:\n\n```text\npolynomial coefficients\n        ↓\ncompanion matrix\n        ↓\nmatrix eigenvalue solver\n        ↓\nall n complex roots\n```\n\nThat means an ordinary numerical linear algebra library is enough.\n\n**Eigen** actually supplies this directly in its unsupported `PolynomialSolver`. It accepts either fixed or dynamic polynomial degree and currently uses QR eigenvalue computation on the companion matrix. Eigen labels this module experimental/unsupported. citeturn241627search4\n\nSo in C++ you don't need to invent quintic mathematics either.\n\n### Boost / Kokkos\n\nBoost.Math is somewhat different. It has explicit polynomial solvers through quartics and general numerical root-finding algorithms such as TOMS 748, Newton, Halley, etc., but its documented general root finders are principally “find a root of this function,” rather than an all-complex-roots arbitrary-polynomial facility like NumPy's. citeturn537496search0turn537496search1\n\nKokkos isn't what I'd reach for as the polynomial solver itself. You could certainly build a parallel polynomial solver using Kokkos/Kokkos Kernels for the underlying computations, but that is a different layer.\n\nThere are also libraries specifically built for doing this very robustly. **FLINT/Arb**, for example, can compute arbitrary-precision complex polynomial roots and attach **rigorous error bounds** to them. For integer polynomials it has routines that isolate all complex roots into disjoint certified regions. citeturn539715search0turn539715search4\n\nThat is substantially stronger than merely getting a bunch of `double`s.\n\n### So what happened to those “advanced special functions”?\n\nThey're mathematically interesting, but I oversold their importance.\n\nA general quintic can indeed be transformed into forms whose solutions can be expressed using things such as hypergeometric/elliptic-related functions. But that's not usually how you would implement a general polynomial solver.\n\nAnd for arbitrary degree, saying “there's always some special function” becomes slightly tautological: you can define\n\n\\[\nR_k(a_0,\\ldots,a_n)\n=\n\\text{the kth root of }\na_nx^n+\\cdots+a_0,\n\\]\n\nand voilà, you've invented a “special function” that solves every polynomial. That's essentially what `RootOf` does, except in a mathematically useful and computable representation.\n\nSo your intuition is right, with an even nicer result:\n\n> **You could write code that solves arbitrary-degree polynomials without implementing those exotic special functions at all.**\n\nA surprisingly small prototype is basically:\n\n```python\ndef polynomial_roots(coefficients):\n    C = make_companion_matrix(coefficients)\n    return eigenvalues(C)\n```\n\nThe hard part isn't **whether it can be done**. 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            "Ah — yes. That changes the answer substantially.\n\nYou mean something like\n\n\\[\nP(x,y)=y^5+xy+1=0\n\\]\n\nand you want to symbolically rearrange it into something conceptually like\n\n\\[\ny=f(x),\n\\]\n\nthen generate code evaluating \\(f(x)\\).\n\nThat object is called an **algebraic function**.\n\nFor degree ≤ 4 in \\(y\\), you can generally produce an explicit expression involving radicals. For example,\n\n\\[\ny^2+xy+1=0\n\\]\n\ngives\n\n\\[\ny(x)=\\frac{-x\\pm\\sqrt{x^2-4}}2.\n\\]\n\nFor a generic degree-5 polynomial such as\n\n\\[\ny^5+xy+1=0,\n\\]\n\nthere generally isn't a radical expression for \\(y(x)\\). SymPy's documentation explicitly notes that its symbolic `roots()` can handle symbolic coefficients when a radical expression exists, but generic high-degree polynomials generally defeat that approach; moreover, SymPy's general `RootOf` machinery currently requires rational coefficients rather than symbolic parameters like \\(x\\). citeturn321317search1\n\n### But you can still represent \\(y(x)\\) exactly\n\nInstead of demanding\n\n```text\ny = sqrt(...) + cbrt(...) + ...\n```\n\nyou represent\n\n\\[\ny=\\operatorname{Root}_k\\!\\left(Y^5+xY+1\\right).\n\\]\n\nHere \\(x\\) remains symbolic, and \\(k\\) identifies a particular branch/root.\n\nThat is a perfectly legitimate symbolic expression; it's just an **algebraic-function expression** rather than an expression made out of radicals.\n\nSageMath has machinery that is especially close to what you're describing. It can construct the rational function field\n\n\\[\n\\mathbb Q(x)\n\\]\n\nand then extend it by a symbolic element \\(y\\) satisfying an arbitrary polynomial relation. Its documentation actually gives a degree-5 example essentially of this form:\n\n```python\nK.<x> = FunctionField(QQ)\nR.<y> = K[]\n\nL.<y> = K.extension(\n    y^5 - (x^3 + 2*x*y + 1/x)\n)\n```\n\nNow `y` is an **exact symbolic object satisfying that quintic relation over the field of rational functions in `x`**. No numerical approximation and no radical formula are required. citeturn843998search0turn843998search1\n\nThat's very close to:\n\n```text\ninput:\n    y^5 + x*y + 1 = 0\n\noutput:\n    y = AlgebraicFunction(\n            polynomial = Y^5 + x*Y + 1,\n            branch = k\n        )\n```\n\n### Generating executable code\n\nThen your generated evaluator could look conceptually like:\n\n```cpp\ncomplex<double> y(complex<double> x)\n{\n    // coefficients of Y^5 + x Y + 1\n    polynomial p = {1, x, 0, 0, 0, 1};\n\n    auto roots = polynomial_roots(p);\n\n    return choose_branch(roots);\n}\n```\n\nSo the symbolic compiler has retained\n\n\\[\ny=\\operatorname{Root}_k(Y^5+xY+1)\n\\]\n\nwhile generated machine code substitutes a particular numeric `x` and computes that root.\n\nAnd **NumPy/Eigen/etc. are useful at this second stage**, because after substituting \\(x\\), the coefficients are numerical and the problem is ordinary polynomial root finding.\n\n### There is one important complication: \\(y(x)\\) usually isn't one function\n\nFor\n\n\\[\nP(x,y)=0\n\\]\n\nof degree \\(n\\) in \\(y\\), there are generally \\(n\\) values\n\n\\[\ny_1(x),y_2(x),\\ldots,y_n(x).\n\\]\n\nFor example,\n\n\\[\ny^2=x\n\\]\n\nhas\n\n\\[\ny_1(x)=+\\sqrt{x},\n\\qquad\ny_2(x)=-\\sqrt{x}.\n\\]\n\nAnd those branches can meet at **branch points**. For the general algebraic curve \\(P(x,y)=0\\), these occur where simultaneously\n\n\\[\nP(x,y)=0\n\\]\n\nand\n\n\\[\n\\frac{\\partial P}{\\partial y}=0.\n\\]\n\nAway from those points, the implicit-function theorem gives you a locally ordinary function, and even gives its derivative:\n\n\\[\n\\boxed{\n\\frac{dy}{dx}\n=\n-\\frac{P_x}{P_y}\n}\n\\]\n\nSo a particularly nice implementation could maintain a chosen root continuously as `x` changes rather than repeatedly saying “give me root #3.” That avoids roots unexpectedly changing identity because their numerical ordering changed.\n\n### So your original idea basically works\n\nYou could build a symbolic system that transforms\n\n```text\nP(x, y) = 0\n```\n\ninto something like\n\n```text\ny = AlgebraicRoot(P(x, Y), branch)\n```\n\nfor **arbitrary polynomial degree**.\n\nThen that object could support operations such as:\n\n```text\nevaluate(x = 2.7)\ndifferentiate()\nsubstitute()\nfind_branch_points()\ncontinue_branch(from_x, to_x)\ngenerate_cpp()\n```\n\nYou don't need a closed-form quintic formula at all.\n\nAnd interestingly, **Sage's algebraic function fields already implement much of the symbolic algebraic side of precisely this idea**, including extensions of degree five and higher over \\(\\mathbb Q(x)\\). citeturn843998search1\n\nSo if what you were imagining was *“a symbolic compiler that can solve one variable of an arbitrary polynomial relation in terms of another”*, the answer is much closer to **yes** than my previous answer suggested. The natural output type just has to be **algebraic function**, rather than “expression composed exclusively of familiar elementary functions.”"
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