On Fri, 02 Oct 2015 18:59:29 +0200 rysiek <rysiek@hackerspace.pl> wrote:
“Any movement that seeks social justice through political involvement and attempting to hold public officials democratically accountable is doomed to failure. The only real way to achieve social justice is by bypassing the state, treating it as irrelevant, and building the kind of society we want without the government’s permission.”
Yo dawg, I herd yo don't liek the state, so yo should build one of your own
It says "building the kind of society" - *society*, not the state. Two different things.
My point was, rather, that ultimately this: "bypassing the state (...) and building the kind of society we want without the government's permission"
...often ends up being this: "bypassing the *current* state (...) and building the kind of society we want without the *current* governments' permission, so that we can become the government that others need permission of"
Well, that may happen although I don't think anarchists have built any *state*. For starters, if they did, they would not be anarchists, by definition.
One way or the other we end up with a "state" or some other state-like organisation. There will be rulers, and there will be ruled.
Oh yes. Without slavery, who would pick the cotton.
But we can either choose to take what we can from what seems to be a set of good ideas (separation of powers, checks and balances,
Wait rysiek, you are copypasting the most laughable nonsense that anglo fascism (masquerading as 'liberalism') ever produced? You know, the first requirement to win an argument is to pick the right side. And statism isn't the right side of the argument. re : 'division of power' - the incentives for people who have power lead them to COOPERATE to maintain or gain more power, not to 'check' each other's power. ABC of economics.
etc) and build upon them or try implementing them in a more functional way, or... go the "ignore it altogether" route, end up reinventing the wheel, and arriving at a not-all- that-functional variation of it.
So, you are willing to 'cooperate' with the current criminals and justify them while accusing a bunch of anarchist of 'maybe' doing something that goes against their principles?