On Thu, Dec 05, 2019 at 04:19:19AM -0300, Punk-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
On Thu, 5 Dec 2019 15:58:54 +1100 Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
On Thu, Dec 05, 2019 at 01:47:26AM -0300, Punk-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
On Thu, 5 Dec 2019 15:10:35 +1100 Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
just a sample of what sort of scum your 'libertarian' fascist source zerohedge is
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/destruction-american-liberty
"It is not a coincidence that for the first 125 years of American life, there was no income tax, IRS, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, farm subsidies, education grants, drug laws, central planning, economic regulation, public schooling, Federal Reserve,"
for the first 100 years of americunt 'history' there was S L A V E R Y, land theft on a continental scale and ethnic cleansing. Not to mention national banks, tariffs (one of the causes of the civil war), puritan witch-burning psychos, and a long list of other crimes.
the bad faith of supreme scumbags like jakobo hornberger and americunt libertarians is infinite.
The above is actually conflation - conflating or associating two separate things as though one cancels out the other. Conflation is not useful to progressing an argument, although (if your interlocutor is insufficiently familiar with conflations) it can be useful to shut down a conversation. So we have various facts: - pre-1913, no income tax, no Federal Reserve - also pre-1913, slavery, ethnic cleansing etc We don't throw out the facts surrounding the unconstitutional and illegal and immoral Federal Reserve, just because "other bad stuff" was happening prior to and after the existence of, the Federal Reserve. To throw out the former, due to the latter, can be termed conflation, or "throwing out the baby with the bathwater". Now, once again, as you so kindly asked for me to do a little research for you and provide some readily clickable facts, I shall do so :) --------------------------- Facts in support. The Federal Reserve Act: - is unconstitutional https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/082115/why-do-some-people-claim-fed... The U.S. Constitution does not mention the need for a central bank, nor does it explicitly grant the government the power to create one. Those who adhere to a strict interpretation of the Constitution believe the government does not have any authority not specifically listed as one of the Enumerated Powers of Congress. Critics also argue the Federal Reserve Bank violates the Constitution by being too closely tied to the private sector, and it lacks transparency and accountability. - was "passed" by parliament on Christmas Eve - was "passed" without a chorum (See "An essay on the history of banking" below) "The Federal Reserve was chartered by an act of deceit, when most of congress had gone home for Christmas holiday, on December 23rd, 1913. The Federal Reserve Act of 1913, had passed the house, but it was having difficulty getting through the senate. Regardless, no recess had been called, while nearly every senator had gone home. Only three senators passed the act with a unanimous vote of 3-0. There were no objections. If there had been one person present in the absence of a quorum, the bill would not have passed." There is a contra to this though: https://famguardian.org/Subjects/MoneyBanking/FederalReserve/FRconspire/fra.... which claims that the next day the bill was passed 43-25. Perhaps someone could dig up actual parliamentary records. - is immoral all (fiat) "money" is created by debt alone, effectively "printing" money every time any entity (individual, government, corporation, etc) gets a "loan" - this is also against the biblical prohibition of usury - is unethical in a purportedly democratic regime of government, the printing of money should not be a power held by one (or a small number of) families, who do so by usury An Essay On The History Of Banking https://criminalbankingmonopoly.wordpress.com/ A Historical Perspective: The Banking Monopoly I. Introduction: The Federal Reserve Act of 1913 In 1913, the U.S. Congress passed a bill called the Federal Reserve Act. This bill allowed an independent, non-government group to privatize, and take control of America’s monetary system. The Federal Reserve Bank’s name was chosen by this group so as to deceive the American people into believing that the Federal Reserve was a branch of the U.S. government. This privately held monopoly continues even today to give enormous power to a handful of international bankers, non-Americans, to issue America’s money, to set interest rates, to finance endless wars, and to enslave the American citizens, and the other nations of the world in a state of perpetual debt. This debt based monetary system is what has destroyed the American economy, and has brought with it depressions, and recessions for several generations. This will continue, until the Federal Reserve, and the fractional reserve lending practices of the centralized banks ceases to exist. In 1923, Representative Charles A. Lindbergh, a Republican from Minnesota, and father of the famous aviator “Lucky” Lindberg stated, “The financial system has been turned over to the Federal Reserve Board. That board administers the finance system by authority of a purely profiteering group. The system is private, conducted for the sole purpose of obtaining the greatest possible profits from the use of other people’s money.” Former chairman of the House Banking, and Currency Committee, during the great depression era, Louis T. McFadden stated in 1932, “We have in this country one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever known. I refer to the Federal Reserve Board. This evil institution has impoverished the people of the United States, and has practically bankrupted our Government. It has done this through the corrupt practices of the moneyed vultures who control it.”