Message du 13/05/14 05:55 De : "grarpamp" A : cypherpunks@cpunks.org Copie à : p2p-hackers@lists.zooko.com, cryptography@randombit.net Objet : Re: [cryptography] The next gen P2P secure email solution
On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 11:49 AM, rysiek wrote:
Dnia wtorek, 22 kwietnia 2014 20:58:50 tpb-crypto@laposte.net pisze:
Although technical solutions are feasible
Then do it and see what happens.
we ought to consider some things: - Email is older than the web itself;
So is TCP/IP and the transistor. Irrelevant.
You clearly did not get the point, but let's move along your argument.
- Email has three times as many users as all social networks combined;
And how did those nets get any users when 'email' was supposedly working just fine?
E-mail not allowing one to make his ego appreciated and envied in a structured nicely formatted page maybe?
- Email is entrenched in the offices, many a business is powered by it;
They are powered by authorized access to and useful end use of message content, not by email. That's not going anywhere, only the intermediate transport is being redesigned.
Can you recode outlook, eudora and other closed source stuff people use(d) for e-mail handling for business? No? Well, that answers why it is hard to remove.
Given the enormous energy necessary to remove such an appliance and replace
Removal is different from introducing competitive alternatives.
Little proprietary walled gardens are absolutely not the answer for this problem.
it with something better. How could we make a secure solution that plays nicely with the current tools without disturbing too much what is already established?
By writing a gateway (i.e. between RetroShare and e-mail)?
The gateway idea is interesting, but it has to be efficient enough and low cost enough for people to switch over. Something like bitmessage is not.
MUA's become file readers and composers. They hand off to a localhost daemon that recognizes different address formats of the network[s] and does the right thing. Perhaps they compile against additional necessary network/crypto libs. Whatever it is, those are not a big change. Ditching centralized SMTP transport in the clear is... and for the better.
http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/05/good-news-for-privacy-fewer-servers-... I think that answers your concern about SMTP transport in the clear, in less than one year the darkest bar in that chart will be close to 100%. If 80% of hosts demand strict encrypted transport, it will force the other 20% to change. Considering the snowden revelations and the fact that one year ago we barely used encrypted transport, having 1/4 already and accelerating is a good prospect.
Reread the threads, forget about that old SMTP box, think new.
Fixing the problem is better than overhauling all offices in the world, you clearly haven't been in may offices in your life.
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