On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 4:06 AM, oshwm <oshwm@openmailbox.org> wrote: You rightly and smoothly integrated crypto into every existing app so that people can use crypto. As with my Apple comment, that's respectable, I believe smooth integration is possible such that it ends up being used without much thought. So that's cool, and attaiinable. But note the fatal error: "into every *existing* app". There is no practical threat against crypto itself. However we have serious threats to the privacy once thought achievable with crypto alone... rooted in the protocols and centralization of every *existing* app. So privacy is now unsolvable with them still in the picture, no matter what crypto you throw at it or how you throw it. And if you integrate crypto into them as they exist today, you become fucked forever [1]... because you've just now given sheep the crypto they subliminally want in the back of their head, and thus to them the problem is solved. But we know it's not. It doesn't cover metadata nor misplace of trust in central authority. I say you must say fuck the current apps and hold out the crypto integration for better replacements that address those issues as well. Otherwise it's still a soggy sandwich. The question is perhaps, central or decentral. I believe that with the right approach,cpunks can make decentral a mass market win. [1] As in: "Now that we have IPv6, it's going to last a hell of a long time."