On Sun, 25 Sep 2016 03:24:06 -0000 xorcist@sigaint.org wrote:
OK. You want to believe that your niece has 'autism'. I think she should be left the fuck alone. Notice also how a couple of days ago you apparently thought that conformity to 'social norms' was a problem, but you've been taking the exact opposite side here. You made excuses for the psychiatric mafia, and ultimately you just believe in their nonsense.
I'm not taking any "exact opposite side" .. you seem to really be unable to separate, as I'm mentioned before, idealistic principles from pragmatic practice.
I'm really fed up with you now =)
I wouldn't consider it a problem.. and my understanding is that because its biologically based,
I'm done with (your) pseudo science, sorry.
Go look it up, dude.
I'm not taking even half seriously an idiot who gets his 'science' from derren brown. Game over sonny. The episode about 'converting' an 'atheist' was beyond pathetic. As I already mentioned the guy is a scammer and you are one of his victims.
In this case, it's the family. Which I think is some sort of model for the state...As in paternalistic governments, nanny states, founding fathers, the pope, patriotism (from pater)...that kind of thing...
Ok, so we're talking models of the state, and not THE totalitarian state.
Huh? All states are totalitarian, by definition.
Read. "IN THIS CASE ITS THE FAMILY WHICH IS ___SOME_SORT_OF_MODEL__ .."
You started out by saying that kids are forced into comformity by THE TOTALITARIAN STATE.
Your bullshit about 'autism' comes from the state. And obviously children are forced in conformity by the state, and their parents, etc.
The STATE. The functioning body of government does not, through law and state officials, have much to do with the behavior patterns encouraged upon children.
Yes it does. Buy hey since it's all 'herd instinct' anyway...
Greedy state-outlawed drug dealers, working as salesmen for out-lawed cartels, selling outlawed, unpatentable freely reproduced and copied products and other shit. Furthermore, they drug up children who are just looking for an escape from the 'normal' savagery.
What point are you trying to make?
Nope. The point was that using your reasoning you can apply it to things that government has no direct bearing on.
Medicine and drug regulations, the state has a pretty direct bearing on. So, the fuck are you talking about. Plus there are lots of other areas where the state has INdirect bearing on, but it still has a lot of influence.
The state IS. Greed IS. There is overlap.
Hey, state officials breathe too, I hear.
So fucking what.
Unpatentable yes, freely reproduced, obviously not at all. The products still need to be manufactured in a highly regulated enviroment. That's why there's a black market...
Freely reproducible in the sense that customers are free to reproduce. I buy my ounce of weed, smoke the bud, toss the stems, and plant the seeds. My dealer isn't going to come after me.
No, the government will. Yet another retarded retort on your part.
The state obviously is the sole creator of black markets for some drugs. AND they are the ones who license your beloved official 'legal' drug dealers, aka 'medical doctors'.
You really should stop putting words in my mouth. I never said I loved medical doctors, nor psychiatrists.
No no. You just pay attention to their amazing theories. As in the amazing theory of 'autism'.
Greed will always be around, man. Greed will infect any system you have, or don't have. Greed infected monarchies, modern nation-states, churches,
Momarchies, 'modern' states and churches are criminal organizations - You seem confused.
If you're going to quote me, don't cut me off in mid-sentence like a cunt to pretend you have a point or a real objection.
That sentence was finished with examples that are NOT criminal organizations. And greed can still infect them.
Well, I don't happen to give a damn about your rant on greed, go figure.
That was the point. You're linking the state to greed, but greed can be linked to anything.
It's fucking stupid. Like I said, government officials breathe too.
Yes, a highly stupid remark on your part. Congrats.
No. It's true that if people were completely rational they would be fighting back in a rational way, but their enemy is more specialized and motivated.
Whatever the fuck that means. You still haven't given any real answer to why, if people are rational, so much irrationality exists.
It because of fucktards who believe in 'herd instincts' and 'autism'
If you think my position entails support for 'rational' 'leaders' you don't understand my position.
You haven't actually advanced a position. You're just thrown stones at mine.
Awww. Your bullshit is being stoned and you don't like it. What a tragedy.
So no, I don't understand your position.
No wonder since you get your intellectual education from the likes of derren brown.
What needs to be suppresed are attacks against person and property. And it just so happens that those attacks can't be rationally justified.
Sure they can. As we covered before, if someone is attacking you, you have the right to attack back.
That's called 'defense'. But whatever.
At the same time that children start selecting their peer leaders, they rebel against their parental leaders.
Nope. They rebel against their piece of shit parents from day one.
Some children, yes. Some, no.
You're over-generalizing again.
Ah yes. And that coming from you, the master of the 'herd instinct' really counts as an objection.
If you've ever met an alpha type who is actually a genuinely nice person, its obvious to see the positive effect they can have on people, in terms of getting them to be more confident themselves.
I don't believe in fairy tales, good cops(except dead cops of course) and your 'good' 'leaders'.
I wouldn't if I were you either. You're negative, argumentative, and purposefully obtuse. You object, for the purpose of objecting,
Ah yes. I'm not conforming to your 'social norms' =)
and you misrepresent.
So obviously there are few humans who would BE nice to YOU to begin with!
Sniff, sniff.
Do that long enough, on a large enough scale.. I don't know how many generations it would take..
Cool. So a bunch of members of the master race will save the poor human primates. Some anarchist you are.
I feel sorry for you.
How touching.
No, its the dick way of talking to people that will guarantee that they will get angry, and won't remember what you said, just that what you said made them angry. And so, since they don't remember, they'll never change their mind.
Fuck fake politness.
No wonder why people don't like you.
Yep. Because I'm not a hypocrite whereas hypocrysy is today's highest 'value'. So, how's your attempt at enforcing your fucking fake politeness working on me? =)
The point is, be aware of the subtle ways in which people express their feelings of their inferiority to you, or others, and subtly uplift them.
I'm not a babby sitter.
Oh, I disagree. You're at a computer, so you're sitting. And you most certainly are a baby.
Ha ha ha. So funny.
Really? Because she went from not being able to support herself, nor her child, and being on state assistance, to getting a decent job. I haven't seen her in some years now, but last I heard she is a quite prosperous small business owner now.
And you need a university degree to do that?
It can help. Also helps you network with others, find like-minded people and so on.
Ah yes. Do networking with the rest of corrupt fucks who go to uni. Old boy network and all that. Pretty anarchist.
So making common sense remarks aligned with common sense not-pro-establishment views means I'm a loner.
Nope. Being a condescending jerk, who is perfectly willing to be impolite for no particular reason,
Damn! I'm being IMPOLITE. This is really a serious offense.
who fails to consider even basic social norms and courtesies and in fact rallies against them,
I really love it when people are their own self parody. So you are whining about lack of respect for social norms. I think this is check mate =)
makes you PRECISELY the sort of person that people won't want to deal with, and the kind of person they'll treat like shit to convince you to go away.
Then you learn "well, fuck people. I'll be a loner!!"
=) I feel so bad about all those nice, honest people not liking me =) - It's a real tragedy. Sniff, sniff.
It doesn't matter what we know is bullshit. The point is helping OTHER people know its bullshit. If a deductive argument gets them there? Good. If example, and suggestion get them there? Good. If it takes a hit of LSD? Fine.
Well yes. If LSD actually worked, fine. But does it work?
I imagine so. Leary was pretty anti-state. The whole tune-in, and drop-out thing.
So it worked on leary and who else? Oh wait. Might you be 'over-generalizing'?
No? So you are only going to provide alternatives to some of the 'services' the state provides? So, you will never fully replace the state with something else?
Sounds to me like you've never undertaken a significant challenge in your life. I can tell by this very question. How?
Because you have a tendency to 'learn' about 'life' watching derren brown on youtube.
Priceless. I can't answer objections to what I'm saying but the objections never prove anything.
Not the way you're approaching it. All you're doing is misrepresenting what I say, magnifying the import of minutia, and so on.
Sure. You declared you don't listen to objections, but somehow it's my fault =)
Again that is beyond ridiculous. As a matter of fact I've been proving you wrong all along. If you are doing something that doesn't work, then doing NOTHING is a better alternative. At least if you do nothing you are not wasting your time. And that's just one possibility.
If your thinking was true on this, then Edison would have never invented the light bulb.
Any retard who had an internet connection could learn that edison didn't invent the light bulb. Buy hey - enjoy your ignorant cliches...
You're just an armchair theorist, who doesn't even have theories to share. Vacuous would be a good word.
Sure. I mean, if a scientist like you, who got his degree from Derren University says so. it must be true. Emotionally true.
Yeah, I was just taking a moment to play your game of picking a theme, like "theocratic despotism being the worst sort" and pointing out the obvious counter examples that have nothing to do with what you're actually saying.
I thought you'd be content with me playing along.
What, you tried your dishonest, manipulative garbage on me? =) Was it effective? =)
*You* have the problem and it was apparent from your first message. I'll restate it once more, and then I'm not bothering anymore.
I doubt that.
Wait and see.
But of course, you are a 'realist' only when it suits you.
No, I'm able to separate what IS, from what I believe OUGHT to be. I understand that they are very different, and, realistically speaking -- historically speaking -- expecting change is frankly, well.. unrealistic.
Yes, yes. Don't rock the boat.
They don't seem to be interfering with state power too much, if at all...
Neither does your trolling?
Well, thanks for finally shoting yourself on the foot.
I haven't shot myself in the foot. You've been littering stupid ass questions like that, that have nothing to do with the point made, through the whole thread. What else should I call it?
Ask derren brown?
Only to a very limited extent. Because the state knows pretty well that if their power gets really challenged, they can 'fix' the problem.
It's all about PR.
I'm not a marketing bot.
As far as you've expressed, and therefore as far as I can tell, you're nothing. So I agree.
And you are the kind of retard who reply to 'nothing' =)
At any rate, realize you are not teaching people how to fish. And learning requires rationality.
I may not be teaching you how to fish, but I can assure you that the cognitively disabled I help with, learn a great deal.
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Why would you vote against that? It's just reality!
So?
So you vote against it, but you think it's logical anyway?
Yup. Why wouldn't I?
Right. You are pretty much an inconsistent retard. So why would your actions be consistent.
And I'm out of touch with reality? You think you are going to bleed off the state by taking tax money? Seriously?
'We' as in me and the people I personally know? No.
But it's going bankrupt already, and WE as in a metric shit-ton of people? Yeah.
Oh, so now the state is bankrupt thanks to all the 'anarchist' parasites who live off it. I'm not even bothering trying to follow your next round of 'emotional' 'reasoning'.
What point are you trying to make?
Like I said. Physics and biology.
And Derren Brown!!!
"Boy asks Who Made God? " https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGUZud3OLgg
See? That's reality. Piece of shit parent, rational child setting her straight.
It's actually not rational at all.
... Well, I don't forget that you belive in autism, so...
Fucking dumb.
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So, yeah. Fucking dumb. Squared.
Yep. You.
So I'm trying to re-take lost terrain? OK. Sure.
But never bother about thinking how you lost that terrain in the first place? Ah no. Thinking is too much trouble.
Yeah, I do think about how the terrain was lost in the first place. Laziness. People stopped doing the social work that they used to.
Your thoughts are very clever and interesting.
There may be some light at the end of the tunnel, if the technologist types are right. Robots = displaced workers. There is already a social movement, and talk in European governments about creating a "living wage" ..
european governments might save the day - quoted for self-parody value. So this is it xorcist. You didn't want off-topic posts on the list, but somehow you got the chance to present your amazing 'biological' philosophy based on the teachings of the philosopher derren brown. You got some commentary on it that I guess helped you reinforce your notion that your philosophy is pretty much an accurate representation of 'real' 'reality'. Have a nice day =)