Dnia niedziela, 13 lipca 2014 23:18:29 grarpamp pisze:
On Sun, Jul 13, 2014 at 5:35 PM, rysiek <rysiek@hackerspace.pl> wrote:
Dnia sobota, 12 lipca 2014 18:15:53 nicolasbourbaki@riseup.net pisze:
The Pirate Party and Cypherpunks party are populous movements
I couldn't agree more, and the sad state of Pirate Party here in Poland: Same shit is going on in Germany and Sweden, AFAIK. Pirate Party movement is in deep crisis in Europe.
Forgetting the actual failures in execution, you're simply not going to gain much public acceptance (votes) among the masses, or earn influence by them, by calling yourselves the 'pirate' or 'punks' party. Well, except by luck and whim. At least call yourselves something relatively benign on the books so that you can then choose to carry whatever banner suits each audience.
I disagree. The Pirate Party got a lot of media attention thanks to the name, and got a strong support in the beginning. The current crisis is not due to the name, but due to the fact the PP abandoned quite a lot of their original core issues (filesharing, data protection, privacy, etc).
Disruption, when you have insufficient force outright, implies subterfuge and sleight of hand. Get deeper.
But the PP created a hell of a disruption. Some big parties today have integrated some elements of the original PP platform into their programmes, which is a success regardless of what happens with PP now. However, I'm a big supporter of the idea of creating a single, strong Commons Party, assimilating the Greens and the Pirate Parties across Europe (and further) into a single force. When one thinks about it, it makes sense. On some level the Greens and PP have similar core values: protecting the commons -- be it environmental, or digital. They cooperate closely on several issues in the EU already, and yet go to elections separately. -- Pozdr rysiek