On Thu, Jun 10, 2021, 5:55 PM Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 <punks@tfwno.gf> wrote:
On Thu, 10 Jun 2021 16:33:08 -0400
Karl <gmkarl@gmail.com> wrote:

> 1.  The internet started in academia. 

        that's incorrect. The arpanet is a US military project. Criminals at academia (MIT for instance, a leading 'military contractor') 'cooperated' with the US military, but the arpanet remains a US military network used

Yes, the internet's creation was originally funded by a military contract, which I believe was filled by a telecommunications company, not really sure.  I do not personally believe that the internet we use was military-controlled after it became widespread, but I don't really know.

for surveillance, spying, 'cyberattacks' and propaganda.

This wasn't my experience.  There was no infrastructure to cyberattack at that point.
 
        So, from the point of view of civilian users, the 'internet' was compromised from day zero.

We agree on some things here.

> These disruptions left governments and corporations with a lot of fear and a
lot of injury

        that's incorrect. Govcorp criminals like bankers and other non human trash were never actually 'hacked' to any meaningful degree. 'Hackers' never actually fought against govcorp.

Kinda like poking a bee's nest.  Just a single poke, and many of them risk their lives to hurt you, thinking you must be the end of the world.

What's unfortunate is that hackers won part of a "battle" against govcorp and successfully made digital ecosystems of freedom that are now being co-opted and used very harmfully and oppressively.

>The thing to remember is that hackers know how to secure systems, and are
trying to make them all be secure, to protect everyone

        that's false as well. Vast majority of 'hackers' work only to protect govcorp.

It is incredibly important that you believe me that what I stated was true in past decades.  As stated, most visible hackers have now been kidnapped by govcorp or gotten old, or both, so what you say has truth.

> Unfortunately, we have a situation now where everything is incredibly insecure,

        Incorrect. Govcorp is pretty well secured against their victims.

Haha.  Yeah but they are ripping themselves and their people up a little by not understanding it well.

> With strong AI out there,

        lol - there's no such thing as 'AI' - it's a fraud, let alone 'strong' 'AI'.

They are silly words to use, but a computer can certainly beat you in chess, and that happened a long time ago.  What if those chess moves were instead software bugs?