On 10/29/15, Juan <juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 16:19:29 +0100 Lodewijk andré de la porte <l@odewijk.nl> wrote:
But coercion for the better is really not that bad.)
Okay. You can keep repeating the same totalitarian 'progressive' nonsense ad nauseam. But I had enough.
I have to agree with Juan, and this is a 'fundamental' for me - Fabianism, Gradualism, Fascism etc, from Stalin to Pol Pot to Syria's al-Abad - and plenty of us Westernites, so "schooled" in "the greater good": "coercion for the better is really not that bad" is just another way to say "the ends justifies the means", or it's younger sibling "I was just doing my job." And this fundamental evil pervades most of the world today. As Juan keeps reminding us over and over again. "if we just coerce people a little, not too much now, for their own interests, then things will get better" "if we just kill enough bad people, we'll be left with mostly good people, and the world will be a better place" Whether a little, or a lot, coercion ends in the cult of the state imposing death upon the people (that's us by the way). History shows us this over and again. The recent blog post summary of the post-1944 escapades in Syria is a classic case in point. Pol Pot revisited, "Nazi-style experiments" and all: http://www.wnd.com/1999/06/3715/ --- You can hear it: " I know how to get to Utopia - just coerce a little, apply a little force, restrain a few, torture but rarely, kill only when needed. I shall wield the force of coercion to get us there, to Utopia [I was going to say "coercion in all its despotic forms" but all forms of coercion -are- despotic so that would either be seen correctly as a tautology, or incorrectly as a subset of the types of coercion]. Give me the power to wield the force and I shall apply it to the non-believers who would stop us from getting quickly to Utopia. So, quickly must we eradicate the forces opposing Utopia! Do you believe? Only the superior believe. Only the superior can make it to Utopia, can be Utopia. We must eradicate all the inferior. Produce your papers please! " The road to hell IS paved with good intentions. The ends DO NOT justify the means. Leave others, that is, everyone but yourself, leave us the fuck alone! Seems we are inexorably entering ... Juan's world. Z