Richard Dolan is a UFO (UAP) researcher and historian. He went on the Theories of Everything podcast and talked about intelligence agencies interfering in the UFO community. [–]LimpCroissant 611 points612 points613 points 23 hours ago (173 children) I didn't realize that there were bots and people who work so hard to discredit things that it seems they must be compensated, until I stumbled into the UFO community. Now it's extremely obvious to myself and I think pretty much anyone who's been here for a few months. The hard thing is we're always getting new people into the community and those people generally (like myself when I entered) don't know this to be true. So, you get the new people thinking that the people who have been around longer and talk about this fact are just "conspiracy theorists" and over imaginative. permalink embed save report reply [–]JD_the_Aqua_Doggo 94 points95 points96 points 21 hours ago (14 children) It was truly refreshing and eye-opening at the same time to hear this take. Thank you so much for sharing your experience. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]LimpCroissant 112 points113 points114 points 21 hours ago (13 children) No problem my friend. It's been a while since I've posted these links proving that the intelligence community spends vast resources to sway public opinion away from things they don't want to get out. I suppose it's time again. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2011/mar/17/us-spy-operation-social-n... https://www.businessinsider.com/ndaa-legalizes-propaganda-2012-5?r=DE&IR=T#ixzz340YILjax https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/08/darpa-social-networks-research... permalink embed save parent report reply [–]Life-Celebration-747 40 points41 points42 points 16 hours ago* (10 children) The government is destroying society. More people need to read these articles, keep posting. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]LimpCroissant 47 points48 points49 points 16 hours ago (8 children) The US is just another Rome my friend. Just another empire. People are so comfortable in thinking that this is how life will always be, nice and comfy as far as having everything we need, and that the government will always protect us. Most every government in history that had the means just kept getting more and more powerful and less and less concerned about its citizens. National security is not the security of keeping me and you safe. National security is protecting the country by any means necessary. That includes disseminating propaganda to its citizens, doing all sorts of insanely unethical experimentation of it's own innocent people, anything it needs to protect the state. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]ihavetoomanyaccts 18 points19 points20 points 15 hours ago (5 children) Mk ultra baby permalink embed save parent report reply [–]DropsTheMic -1 points0 points1 point 9 hours ago (1 child) To be fair, some of that didn't sound so bad. If the CIA wants to come dose me randomly with huge doses of LSD they have my open invitation. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]ihavetoomanyaccts 0 points1 point2 points 4 hours ago (0 children) Dream on buddy lol permalink embed save parent report reply [–]LuceArsoul 0 points1 point2 points 12 hours ago (2 children) Mortal Kombat? permalink embed save parent report reply [–]Aeropro 0 points1 point2 points 8 hours ago (1 child) Think mortal Kim at… but ultra 🤯 permalink embed save parent report reply [–]LuceArsoul 1 point2 points3 points 8 hours ago (0 children) Shang Tsung permalink embed save parent report reply [–]Frosty_Technology842 5 points6 points7 points 11 hours ago (1 child) "national security" is anything they want it to be. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]shadowofashadow 0 points1 point2 points 3 hours ago (0 children) National security refers to things that threaten the continuity of government. Most people think national security refers to things that threaten the populace but that's not true. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]FinancialBarnacle785 -1 points0 points1 point 8 hours ago (0 children) Isn't propaganda wonderful? 'Destroying'...? OK. Everybody has a POV(point of view) just like everybody has a well-working anal orfice. I accept that a certain amount of awareness of powerful, well-resourced 'forces'and their intentions toward our minds and behavior is healthy. It seems to make us each aware of our susceptibility...and also aware of our own drive and need to CHOOSE better, more reasonable courses of action, to reclaim our own humanity and goals... Go for it, sisters and brothers! NOW is a perfect time to assert yourself...there are small and large ambitions open to you... permalink embed save parent report reply [–]PickWhateverUsername 0 points1 point2 points 9 hours ago (0 children) And yet people still cry that Russian bots and propaganda farms aren't a thing and can't influence elections ... permalink embed save parent report reply [–]Honest-J 0 points1 point2 points 3 hours ago (0 children) I thought the government was preparing us for disclosure? Which is it, preparing us or hiding it from us? permalink embed save parent report reply [–]Lanky_Maize_1671 84 points85 points86 points 22 hours ago (31 children) I find it interesting that your great reply has 30 upvotes as I write this, the thread doesn't have a single negative reply, yet the overall post only has two upvotes. Bot suppression in action? OP thanks for sharing. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]Woahwoahwoah124 74 points75 points76 points 21 hours ago* (13 children) The Intelligence Community does have a history of manipulating the media. I’m not sure if you’ve heard of the Church Committee investigation back in the 1970s. The House Oversight Committee investigated the US intelligence community and some of the things it found were a lot of ways to manipulate public perception and a lot of illegal activity. The Guardian had a story on disinformation campaigns it’s crazy. The Information War - Sam Harris Is about the Russian Internet Research Agency (IRA) and how they manipulated social media. They introduce groups different groups with similar ideas by cross posting political memes to different Facebook groups, what’s known as cross pollinating, and they would try to weaken communities from within the communities themselves. It’s a super interesting piece on the use of disinformation on social media. On page 15-16 of Intelligence Activity and the Rights of Americans - Book II - Final Report of the Select Committee to Study Governmental Operations: Media Manipulation. -The FBI has attempted covertly to influence the public's perception of persons and organizations by disseminating derogatory information to the press, either anonymously or through "friendly" news contacts. The impact of those articles is generally difficult to measure, although in some cases there are fairly direct connections to injury to the target. The Bureau also attempted to influence media reporting which would have any impact on the public image of the FBI. Examples include: -Planting a series of derogatory articles about Martin Luther King, Jr., and the Poor People's Campaign." For example, in anticipation of the 1968 "poor people's march on Washington, D.C.," Bureau Headquarters granted authority to furnish "cooperative news media sources" an article "designed to curtail success of Martin Luther King's fund raising." Another memorandum illustrated how "photographs of demonstrators" could be used in discrediting the civil rights movement. Six photographs of participants in the poor people's campaign in Cleveland accompanied the memorandum with the following note attached: "These [photographs] show the militant aggressive appearance of the participants and might be of interest to a cooperative news source." Information on the Poor People's Campaign was provided by the FBI to friendly reporters on the condition that "the Bureau must not be revealed as the source." -Soliciting information from Field Offices "on a continuing basis" for "prompt . . . dissemination to the news media . . . to discredit the New Left movement and its adherents." The Headquarters directive requested, among other things, that: specific data should be furnished depicting the scurrilous and depraved nature of many of the characters, activities, habits and living conditions representative of New Left adherents. Field Offices were to be exhorted that: "Every avenue of possible embarrassment must be vigorously and enthusiastically explored." -Ordering Field Offices to gather information which would disprove allegations by the "liberal press, the bleeding hearts, and the forces on the left" that the Chicago police used undue force in dealing with demonstrators at the 1968 Democratic Convention. -Taking advantage of a close relationship with the Chairman of the Board-described in an FBI memorandum as "our good friend" of a magazine with national circulation to influence articles which related to the FBI. For example, through this relationship the Bureau: "squelched" an "unfavorable article against the Bureau" written by a freelance writer about an FBI investigation; "postponed publication" of an article on another FBI case; "forestalled publication" of an article by Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.; and received information about proposed editing of King's articles. And page 35 of, Supplementary Detailed Staff Reports on Intelligence Activity and the Rights of Americans, Book III: "Friendly"Media Much of the Bureau's propaganda efforts involved giving information or articles to "friendly" media sources who could be relied upon not to reveal the Bureau's interests. The Crime Records Division of the Bureau was responsible for public relations, including all headquarters contacts with the media. In the course of its work (most of which had nothing to do with COINTELPRO) the Division assembled a list of "friendly" news media sources-those who wrote pro-Bureau stories. Field offices also had "confidential sources" (unpaid Bureau informants) in the media, and were able to ensure their cooperation. The Bureau's use of the news media took two different forms: placing unfavorable articles and documentaries about targeted groups, and leaking derogatory information intended to discredit individuals." A typical example of media propaganda is the headquarters letter authorizing the Boston Field Office to furnish "derogatory information about the Nation of Islam (NOI) to established source [name excised]" permalink embed save parent report reply [–]MKULTRA_Escapee 5 points6 points7 points 3 hours ago (0 children) You’ll enjoy the List Of Proven Conspiracies: https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/wiki/lopc permalink embed save parent report reply [+]Big_Pomegranate_7712 comment score below threshold-39 points-38 points-37 points 20 hours ago (11 children) All of this stuff has rational motivations. There's no motivation to discredit UAP stuff.....because the reality is that it's just weird stuff in the sky. There are no NHI. There are no crashed ships. There is no government reverse engineering program. Time to take the tin foil off. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]INcticUS 17 points18 points19 points 19 hours ago (0 children) Lol do you guys actually expect these feeble shaming tactics to still work? It’s not 1985 anymore private. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]tribalseth 15 points16 points17 points 19 hours ago* (3 children) Oh hey speak of the devil! Look everyone, let's all focus our attention on this adorable little bot. Isn't he cute how he's showing us all his first words and adventures crawling (on reddit)? Love the little newborns ;). permalink embed save parent report reply [–]PrincyPy 1 point2 points3 points 18 hours ago (2 children) The scary part is that with the technology of transformer-based large language models that have now existed since around 2018 (and became more widely available to the public since last year, and also much stronger), companies and government agencies no longer even need to pay people to run bot farms anymore. The bots are now actual bots (no longer just a derogatory term for paid trolls, like it used to be in the past), as LLMs (large language models) can now match human-level proficiency in natural language and sophistication. They can engage in conversations in ways that are indistinguishable from humans. AI systems, like LLMs that are fine-tuned on human feedback data, will do a lot of good for humanity, but it's going to come at a steep cost due to bad actors. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]tribalseth 0 points1 point2 points 3 hours ago (1 child) They're not indistinguishable from timestamps and creation dates and clearly motivated behavior. If a real person unfortunately falls into that category that looks like a bot and behaves like a bot (from their creation date, and timestamp post/comment history), well that is unfortunate but negligible impact specific to this very subject, since if they really wanted to make the case that they were real you could apply rapid response photo verifcation permalink embed save parent report reply [–]PrincyPy 0 points1 point2 points 2 hours ago (0 children) You missed the point. A bad actor can now troll at a scale not previously possible, but also much cheaper. And it's not specific to this subject. I don't think any government needs that much effort to squash this subject, as they've been doing an excellent job (at least, proven for the US government) through the stigma at little cost. Any social media company that tries to enforce photo verification at signup will die a quick death. People are too paranoid to accept that, I think. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]Longstache7065 3 points4 points5 points 16 hours ago (0 children) This comment by a J. Edgar Hoover worshipping nazi prick has done more to sell me on UFOs being real and being aliens and our government having one than *any other thing* I've seen so far. Just out of curiosity, do you fantasize about fucking Allen Dulles or do you just straight up imagine servicing Hitler's balls, with loyalty to traitors and fascists like Dulles and Hoover being "as close as you can get"?? permalink embed save parent report reply [–]Longstache7065 5 points6 points7 points 16 hours ago (1 child) Are you fucking insane? Rational motives? For promoting fascism and demolishing community, unions, and civil rights? Holy fucking shit I am literally in awe. The FBI needs a full audit with any members still loyal to the oligarchy instead of the constitution and the people put down for treason, and we still have monsters like you walking around thinking being a nazi's a fucking good thing??? Jesus fucking Christ. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]INcticUS 0 points1 point2 points 4 hours ago (0 children) I don’t agree with him either but why are you calling him a Nazi? Seems a bit excessive to put it mildly. I’m also not sure how UAP denial is akin to promoting fascism or demolishing communities, unions and opposing civil rights. I mean what does that even have to do with this? I’m really confused by your comment. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]BA_lampman 0 points1 point2 points 1 hour ago (0 children) Look at me! I know everything! permalink embed save parent report reply [–]quetzalcosiris 19 points20 points21 points 21 hours ago (14 children) Hang out in /new for a few days and you'll see the suppression in action on certain topics. Happens all day, every day. permalink embed save parent report reply [+]Juan_Carlo comment score below threshold-10 points-9 points-8 points 19 hours ago* (11 children) Please post evidence. I've been on this sub for years. Very consistently, I see credulous posts about UFOs upvoted, and skeptical posts downvoted. It's always been that way. Why? Because UFO true believers far out number skeptics here. Yet everyone here is suddenly claiming there's a conspiracy to downvote and suppress the credulous posts. Like, the first post in this thread claiming there is a conspiracy has 194 upvotes right now, while all of the skeptical posts are in the negative.....so how is there a conspiracy exactly? If the government has bot farms trying to influence the narrative, it's clearly not working, lol. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]VirtualDoll 5 points6 points7 points 17 hours ago (6 children) They don't have bot farms, they have shill farms. You should know. I tagged your account as "sus af" weeks ago. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]Juan_Carlo 8 points9 points10 points 16 hours ago* (4 children) OK. I moderate like 4 subs (one on an obscure, 1960s, folk singer), I'm a massive hypochondriac who's spent a large portion of my 6 years on reddit posting about health anxiety, I'm autistic (post on those subs), NVLD (post on that sub), gay (post on all the gay subs), Lutheran (post on those subs too), a college professor (post on those subs), and am incredibly opinionated about movies and music, writing volumes on subs related to those topics. I've posted more on r/UFOs since Grusch, but my posts here are probably about 5% (or less) of my total Reddit posting output. But, yeah, you are right. I'm a paid shill who is faking my entire identity for the past 6 years just to convince a bunch of neckbeards on reddit that UFOs aren't real, lol. I get accused of being a shill on this sub almost daily now, though. I've always taken a skeptical stance on this sub, but the constant shill/bot accusations here are relatively new. Honestly, they are yet another sign that the UFO community is quickly transforming into a sort of cult-mindset. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]Why_Did_Bodie_Die 10 points11 points12 points 15 hours ago (2 children) The irony is that the government really doesn't have to do anything at all. They just need to make people THINK they have paid shills out there then sit back and watch the subs eat themselves. When a guy who has been reading about UFOs since he was 10 and who NEEDS aliens to be real so it can give his life meaning comes across a comment that is telling him he might be wrong the only way he can come to terms with it is if he thinks the guy telling him he is wrong is actually a paid government employee. There is no way he could be wrong about aliens being on earth because surely he is smart enough to follow all the breadcrumbs so the person telling him he is wrong can't be right. And since he just read an article that told him the government pats people to come on subs like this and fuck with people then that is obviously what is going on. That's what makes the whole thing perfect. As long as people think there are shills on here then everytime they read something they don't like then it must be because of the shills. Even better is that now that the person thinks everyone who disagrees with him is a shill it reinforces his beliefs that much more. "Why would they hire people to tell me I was wrong if I wasn't right?" If the government really is paying people to come on this sub and fuck with us then they are wasting their money. The damage is done and we can do a perfectly fine job at fighting with ourselves without the help of any government shills. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]Beautiful-Amount2149 3 points4 points5 points 12 hours ago (0 children) Im convinced the actual paid shills are from the UFO celebs astroturfing on here to push their narratives to increase viewership and book sales permalink embed save parent report reply [–]ddt70 1 point2 points3 points 12 hours ago (0 children) Spoken like a true shill. (joke!) permalink embed save parent report reply [–]FinancialBarnacle785 0 points1 point2 points 8 hours ago (0 children) Now, hold on there...what if Grush, et al, are actually convincing us that UFO-type 'stuff' is REAL? and not the other way around? Very important to our rulers to have us accept 'superiors' from 'up there'...superior sky-borne and more, and THEY very conveniently have blessed and given relevance to OUR current rulers, and I think the whole cheap reversal 'plot' has at least as much 'spychic reality' as the usual, 'gummintdevillain' blahblah. It's just the same-o that some club-wielder a hundred thousand years ago told, after he was scared of his own shadow and suddenly sneezed, which he'd nevernoticed before, and swore ever after that he was 'overtaken' by an unexplained force...connected with breath, therefore 'spiritual'...whee. Off we go, again... UFOs are just another attempt to influence US to accept higher and better guidance from 'above', which always translates in reality into Our Rulers, here on Earth, God-appointed. Same old same old. You're welcome. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]AlunWH 0 points1 point2 points 7 hours ago (0 children) I wouldn’t have thought an account with high karma that’s years old is in any way a bot: it’s just someone you disagree with. The bot accounts don’t post in depth, don’t offer context and don’t explain their reasoning. Randomly turning on other posters and accusing them is unhelpful in the extreme. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]PootieTom 1 point2 points3 points 18 hours ago (0 children) The moderation log is open and accessible. To everyone who is downvoting users who are skeptical of widespread sock-puppet abuse - could you not go through the logs and find something, anything, that shows us what you're talking about? If bot farms are manufacturing a consensus or pushing a narrative, chances are a handful have been discovered and had an action taken against them. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]OptimalCheesecake527 1 point2 points3 points 16 hours ago (1 child) It’s always the skeptical posts that are the conspiracy until whatever dumbass belief they have gets debunked, then it was a conspiracy to get them to believe it permalink embed save parent report reply [–]LouisUchiha04 1 point2 points3 points 8 hours ago (0 children) Who is "Them"? permalink embed save parent report reply [–]FinancialBarnacle785 -2 points-1 points0 points 8 hours ago (0 children) Forgive my gushing welcome, Juan, but you make a great deal of sense to my amateur analyses. Thanks, and I hope you will comment more. Those of us with an interest in 'History' know and accept propaganda's existence, and we shamble thru life, just as our most ancient ancestors did...just different, equally arrogant, stupid yet clever dinosaurs, trying to 'herd' the prey into positions of easier harvest. Wasn't something like this always hindering humans? Caveat... permalink embed save parent report reply [–]PickWhateverUsername -1 points0 points1 point 9 hours ago (0 children) Or you just don't understand how the shitty reedit algos work... Does manipulation happen ? very probably. Is it in most cases a grand conspiracy ? nope just short term googled bosses trying to squeeze out a bit more $ from ads while hurting their long term engagement on said platform, Facebook and X come to mind permalink embed save parent report reply [–]NiceGuyzFinish1st 1 point2 points3 points 14 hours ago (0 children) Over a thousand up votes rn so it seems like the bots are a tad overwhelmed. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]toxictoy 15 points16 points17 points 18 hours ago* (0 children) Want to know the really horrible thing -once you see it here you see it everywhere because the whole point is divide and rule. They use whatever means to split a community because a community can’t move forward if it fights itself. Either can a nation. Think about what happened to r/conspiracy and the Above Top Secret forums - they turned those into a political minefield which is advantageous to stopping anyone from questioning the narratives - they make those looking in from the outside believe that “conspiracy theorists” are crazy. This is exactly why the UFO Stigma exists - as Dolan just said the stigma was “encouraged” by government but really - the CIA and the Air Force created it. Here’s just a few articles from a few years ago about the capabilities of the US government to turn people into bots through manipulation on social media. These are not from fringe publications either but trusted journalistic publications. Airforce ARS Technica - how to control people like drones via social media https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/07/air-force-research-ho... https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2011/mar/17/us-spy-operation-social-n... Researchers at Stanford have created a village for AI bots to develop human like behavior https://www.businessinsider.com/ai-village-bots-plan-valentines-elections-go... 2400 ChatGPT bots banned from Reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/ModSupport/comments/14a6pfg/over_1500_chatgpt_bot_a... Trolling as political activity https://www.business-standard.com/article/beyond-business/i-am-a-troll-insid... permalink embed save parent report reply [–]42gether 30 points31 points32 points 21 hours ago (12 children) Now it's extremely obvious to myself and I think pretty much anyone who's been here for a few months. It's so depressing, during the "where plane go" season it was somewhat funny because that was just an old video and people were having fun analyzing it, but it's successfully getting applied to the peru situation and the mexican congress hearing and you just can't have a conversation without them popping up trying to derail the conversation. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]nlurp 12 points13 points14 points 21 hours ago* (4 children) Could it be they’re true events? The other day I have read the Peruvian situation happened in India as well permalink embed save parent report reply [–]divine_god_majora 17 points18 points19 points 19 hours ago (1 child) The fact that the vitriol and ridicule along with blind denial seems to be a more prevalent when people talk about those topics gives them so much more credibility permalink embed save parent report reply [–]nlurp 0 points1 point2 points 15 hours ago (0 children) One thing definitely does not imply the other, but it is definitely interesting: Plane sucked into a portal - let’s all kumbaya around this lovely thing of nature Mexico and Peru stuff - preposterous! I am with you there: there are orders of magnitude more evidence for their reality than people believe (and this sub used to be for believers with critical thinking). The standard is not double anymore: it is newspeak! permalink embed save parent report reply [–]42gether 1 point2 points3 points 10 hours ago (1 child) Could it be they’re true events? Where far from being close to finding out sadly, if there are people looking into it they're being quiet, if there's people trying to discuss about the possibility of it being either real or fake you get totally normal users (/u/FloorDice nice job blocking me bitch) trying to derail the conversation. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]nlurp 0 points1 point2 points 3 hours ago (0 children) We don’t need to fight anyone permalink embed save parent report reply [–]kael13 3 points4 points5 points 6 hours ago (4 children) Hmm, I'm pretty skeptical of most things here, but I still think there's more to the MH370 stuff than we've fully understood. I've never seen this sub attack itself more than when that happened. If that doesn't scream bot farm to you, I don't know what would. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]truefaith_1987 0 points1 point2 points 5 hours ago (3 children) MH370, we'll eventually have to circle back to that. Since it's likely true; at the very least, the pilot needs to be officially vindicated at some point, since basically nothing about the case actually suggests he was the culprit. The plane suffered an electrical failure, went on a roller coaster ride through the sky, and disappeared. If anything, the pilot may have been in a battle for everyone's lives, and tried to land at Penang International. And there were other plane abductions over the years. There have definitely been some military pilot abductions/deaths (Felix Moncla for instance). permalink embed save parent report reply [–]QueefyMcQueefFace -1 points0 points1 point 3 hours ago (2 children) I do not believe this assessment is correct. The MH370 Official Report indicates that MH370 turned off its transponder, turned West after reaching Waypoint IGARI, weaved between civilian and military radars over Malaysia, then turning South around Banda Aceh in Indonesia. It then proceeded to coast South in the remote area of the South Indian Ocean until Inmarsat satellite pings were lost and the plane ran out of fuel. This took hours. These actions are intentional and directly implicate the pilots. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]truefaith_1987 1 point2 points3 points 2 hours ago* (1 child) I've read that same report, and the ATSB/Australian report, and both basically concur with what I said. From the report you linked: The Royal Malaysia Police (RMP) seized the PIC’s home flight simulator from the residence of the PIC on 15 March 2014. The RMP Forensic Report dated 19 May 2014 documented more than 2,700 coordinates retrieved from separate file fragments and most of them are default game coordinates. It was also discovered that there were seven ‘manually programmed ’waypoint coordinates, that when connected together, will create a flight path from KLIA to an area south of the Indian Ocean through the Andaman Sea. These coordinates were stored in the Volume Shadow Information (VSI) file dated 03 February 2014. The function of this file was to save information when a computer is left idle for more than 15 minutes. Hence, the RMP Forensic Report could not determine if the waypoints came from one or more files. The RMP Forensic Report on the simulator also did not find any data that showed the aircraft was performing climb, attitude or heading manoeuvres, nor did they find any data that showed a similar route flown by MH370. The RMP Forensic Report concluded that there were no unusual activities other than game-related flight simulations. There were no behavioural signs of social isolation, change in habits or interest, self-neglect, drug or alcohol abuse of the PIC, FO and the cabin crew. The CCTV recordings at KLIA on 07 March 2014 were evaluated to assess the behavioural pattern of the PIC, and the FO from the time of arrival at KLIA until boarding time. Three previous CCTV recordings of the movements of the PIC in KLIA were also viewed to see the behavioural pattern and were compared with the CCTV recordings on 07 March 2014. On studying the PIC’s behavioural pattern on the CCTV recordings on the day of the flight and prior 3 flights there were no significant behavioural changes observed. On all the CCTV recordings the appearance was similar, i.e. well-groomed and attired. The gait, posture, facial expressions and mannerism were his normal characteristics. The FO’s movement captured on CCTV at KLIA on 07 March 2014 was observed. The FO’s behavioural pattern on CCTV recordings on the day of the flight showed no significant behavioural changes. I will link the information about the power failure from the ATSB report as well. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]QueefyMcQueefFace 0 points1 point2 points 2 hours ago (0 children) That's for the flight simulator though, it isn't the actual flight track that was picked up on radar and the Inmarsat comms. Flight sim and CCTV behaviors don't reveal enough information to explain the flight path on that day. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]Revolutionary-Mud715 3 points4 points5 points 18 hours ago (1 child) did it ramp up into high gear like weeks before the hearings? This sub was digestible up until then, i feel like bogus shit just kept popping up over and over again flooding the zone. Then I remember during the hearing reading obvious lies on twitter about grusch flooding, It was sort of impressive to watch. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]42gether 0 points1 point2 points 10 hours ago (0 children) Or maybe it was always there but we're only noticing it now because of the hearing, having "the government is funding disinformation" being a testament under oath kinda changes things. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]Wapiti_s15 3 points4 points5 points 17 hours ago (3 children) I watched a documentary on this when twitter STARTED, by a CIA paid operative in Venezuela who slid an election the way the US wanted. He did the blacked out face and scrambled voice and said “if they are doing it here OF COURSE they are doing it at home, in EVERY country”. He was able, by himself, to swing an entire population into voting for the outcome they desired. In 2007! permalink embed save parent report reply [–]Wapiti_s15 3 points4 points5 points 17 hours ago (0 children) I want you all to think about that when you think back to screaming at the sky in 2016. Was this based on your own reasoning or were you biased in some way? What happened during that four years that was so horrible? Worse than the last 2.5 years, aka, are you better off now or then. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]LimpCroissant 1 point2 points3 points 17 hours ago (0 children) Yup, I saw part of a very similar documentary a couple months ago. A reporter found a Russian bot/troll farm and they met with them to determine what needs to be done and the price. And yeah the Russian guy showed all their services and showed the results on how they were extremely effective at swaying democratic elections. They had a slide show of all the politic leaders in different countries that they were able to either get elected or get voted out. This stuff is very real. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]FinancialBarnacle785 -3 points-2 points-1 points 7 hours ago (0 children) Oh, yeah, so you say that you say...that he said...whoever HE is/was... see, if I can't 'follow your trail to real people, places, things, situations' then you have wasted your time...and mine. Rude. And now, thank you for your kind attention. Details are very important. Think 'Intell'. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]Library_Visible 14 points15 points16 points 19 hours ago (8 children) Come onto any of the stock trading subs on here, it’s insane. There are levels to it. There are bot farms that shitpost and downvote and make inane comments and then there’s full blown paid infiltration by bad actors. If a community is strong and constructive they can counteract the bs. One of the trucks is to simply always stay positive minded. There’s no counterpoint to that. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]LimpCroissant 6 points7 points8 points 18 hours ago (6 children) Yup, I 100% agree, if we stay positive and respectful to each other then they really can't phase us. Their tactic is to seed distrust and animosity, and they do it in an ugly fashion. I really think that we need a new UFOs sub reddit. The same as this one, where it's a general sub on the topic of UFOs and what's behind them, however no ridicule allowed. Say whatever you want, counter points with your skepticism, that's all good as long as you're respectful and don't ridicule. Yeah I'll check out one of the stock trading subs some day, but really I'm just trying to get away from places with that sort of thing going on. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]MKULTRA_Escapee 1 point2 points3 points 3 hours ago (3 children) We do remove a ton of ridicule in this sub, but we could modify the rule to be very specific about it. Basically anything that can be considered uncivil or a personal attack will get removed if it’s reported or a mod sees is. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]LimpCroissant 1 point2 points3 points 2 hours ago (2 children) Yea I see quite a few comments that get removed, however those are the really really nasty ones. I think itd be much more enjoyable here for everyone, including the mods that have to look over everything, if we included in the rules that something like: "Any uncivil or disrespectful comments will not be tolerated , we encourage people to report these messages and recommend not engaging with them in any way while they are being removed." permalink embed save parent report reply [–]MKULTRA_Escapee 1 point2 points3 points 29 minutes ago (1 child) That actually sounds great. I'm going to copy/paste this as see if everyone agrees to add that. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]LimpCroissant 0 points1 point2 points 22 minutes ago (0 children) Well shoot, right on, I appreciate that very much my friend :) permalink embed save parent report reply [–][deleted] 5 hours ago (1 child) [removed] [–]UFOs-ModTeam[M] 0 points1 point2 points 4 hours agolocked comment (0 children) No low effort posts or comments. Low Effort implies content which is low effort to consume, not low effort to produce. This generally includes: Posts containing jokes, memes, and showerthoughts. AI-generated content. Posts of social media content without significant relevance. Posts with incredible claims unsupported by evidence. “Here’s my theory” posts without supporting evidence. Short comments, and comments containing only emoji. Summarily dismissive comments (e.g. “Swamp gas.”) without some contextual observations. permalink embed save parent report [–]Tiffany_Gomas 2 points3 points4 points 18 hours ago (0 children) Politics is close to 1/2 bots too. Dead internet is real permalink embed save parent report reply [–]terms100 3 points4 points5 points 19 hours ago (2 children) Guess you haven’t t been involved with any Wallstreet, stock subs then. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]LimpCroissant 2 points3 points4 points 19 hours ago (1 child) No, I haven't. However I'd imagine that there'd be lots of bots on there as well. And in fact, I've heard that there are. Anywhere where people have lots to lose and resources to spend, there will be bots and those working to sway public opinion. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]Tiffany_Gomas 0 points1 point2 points 17 hours ago (0 children) Political subs are heavily botted, probably the most botted. Plenty of news orga have sock puppet accounts here too permalink embed save parent report reply [–]Flunkedy 10 points11 points12 points 19 hours ago (2 children) There are indeed bots and manipulators here. There is a mulititude of reasons that anybody might employ them to cause dissent. But there are also healthy sceptics who voice their scepticism, use of logic to examine a uap/ufo footage accounts and photos. And to see those people get downvoted and being called bots or agents is disheartening. To be interested in UFOs you have to have an open mind and like it or not that means being open to a multitude of possibilities for example aliens are real-have visited us and maybe even walk amongst us but also be open to the possibility that governments have used science fantasy as a tool to obscure a real concrete conspiracy (off topic but the acts of the American CIA are insanely abhorrent and I wouldn't put anything past them). For me we should be excited by the potential of UFOs , we should be curious about UFOs but we should remain level headed, sceptical, cynical and wary of everyone who claims to have any knowledge of the actual reason behind the phenomena UNLESS they can back up their claims with irrifutable evidence based science. People lie and bend the truth all day every day just to make a quick profit, so always remember to TRUST NO ONE. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]LimpCroissant 4 points5 points6 points 19 hours ago (0 children) That's true, you have to be careful about who you put your trust in. And I welcome healthy skepticism. I'm quite skeptical of many things myself and work hard to find what I believe is the truth. I think the real problem is the attacking of people we see here from both angles. It's just nasty. If you don't agree about something (not you personally), that's totally fine as long as you're respectful. If we are respectful of each other we can work off each other's ideas and both get better. I think a lot of it is the bots work to counter that by slinging crap at people. And personally, I think it's more humans working with multiple accounts each just throwing ridicule more so than bots. I used to check a lot of accounts out that displayed ridicule and it most often seemed like it was a human, not an ai chat thing. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]ifiwasiwas 1 point2 points3 points 10 hours ago (0 children) Yep. They wouldn't be afraid of the people who act like conspiracy theorists - they're easy to discredit. They would be very afraid of people who come across as reasonable, level-headed and well, normal. If there's any psyop to speak of, they would almost certainly target these people and try to drive them out, not the "true believers". permalink embed save parent report reply [–]TheDelig 10 points11 points12 points 20 hours ago (10 children) I'm at the point now that I think the NSA is running reddit, paying the mods and spreading all kinds of bullshit. Everything that feels grassroots here is a psyop. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]crazysoup23 3 points4 points5 points 16 hours ago (0 children) There's a powermod account maxwellhill that stopped posting shortly before Ghislaine Maxwell was arrested and hasn't done anything since. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]rogue_noodle 5 points6 points7 points 17 hours ago (4 children) 5% genuine people with something to contribute, 5% genuine people who shitpost for the lulz, 10% active disinformation agents and 80% bots, if I had to guess. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]blacksun_redux 1 point2 points3 points 16 hours ago (2 children) I dunno. That seems high. So 8 out of 10 comments in this very post are bots? Point them out for me? That the problem for me. People says bots, but don’t specify who/what is a bot nor what unified agenda they might have. It’s just “bots … beware”. So that in itself is a suppression tactic. Sow mistrust and discord in the community. See the danger there? permalink embed save parent report reply [–]rogue_noodle 0 points1 point2 points 13 hours ago (0 children) Maybe 6/10. We don’t have a good way of knowing, unfortunately. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]TheDelig 0 points1 point2 points 7 hours ago (0 children) There absolutely are bots and troll farms. There are videos of people with 10-20 phones in front of them in tents in SE Asia. If it can be done in a parking garage in Beijing it can be done by the NSA. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]CraigSignals 0 points1 point2 points 16 hours ago (0 children) This feels correct. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]FinancialBarnacle785 -2 points-1 points0 points 7 hours ago (2 children) D-d-d-damn, where'$ my paycheck? I can 'make it up', too! USA! USA! Where do you want me to start? Stories about TRUE ufo encounters...we'll call it "TRUfo tales"...or maybe recent, irrefutable Bigfoot and betrothed Figboot demonstrations of existence...e-z peasy. When you want 'public relations' created and made solid, call the professional p.r. flacks.Tracks while you wait. Professionally-trained witnesses, truly believable....available upon reque$t... permalink embed save parent report reply [–]TheDelig 0 points1 point2 points 7 hours ago (1 child) This is just useful idiot type speech. permalink embed save parent report reply [+]FinancialBarnacle785 -1 points0 points1 point 6 hours ago (0 children) Duh! Yassuh, I's useful! Deedy I R! What unclean work$ would you reque$t of this humble ser'v'nt? b 1! permalink embed save parent report reply [–]loveheretic 0 points1 point2 points 5 hours ago (0 children) I've sorta wondered because every comment I make is filtered. It feels worse than Facebook. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]TomHanksYo 2 points3 points4 points 15 hours ago (0 children) Its ironic, because this sub is honestly one of the biggest things to convince me something might be real in all of this. You have these 1 month old accounts coming in here day-in/day-out spreading nonsense or picking arguments and sending everyone down rabbit holes. I'm not one for conspiracies but it is hard to make sense of this in another way other than bot/troll farms. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]Antennangry 9 points10 points11 points 20 hours ago (6 children) Dolan’s narrative is also extremely useful for grifters and agents of accelerationism who want to cast aspersions on well-meaning skeptics by coloring anyone who doesn’t buy the narrative they espouse as a paid troll. Cuts both ways. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]LimpCroissant 6 points7 points8 points 19 hours ago (3 children) I think the trick is for all of us to just use our critical thinking and intuition to tell whether someone's contributing their true thoughts on the subject and trying to get clarity, or help give clarity, or whether they're saying something to throw the conversation off topic and ridicule. And yes, I agree, that goes both ways. However I think we should all be working to further the cause of getting more transparency on the phenomena from the government(s), and from whatever means necessary. Sometimes it appears as if people want to derail that (not you). permalink embed save parent report reply [–]Antennangry 1 point2 points3 points 19 hours ago (1 child) Mostly in agreement here. Transparency is useful, especially when it comes to a DoD with a historically large and creeping budget and mandate. And using one’s critical thinking skills and intuition are good. Intuition is known to generate a false positive here and there though. I think the key is to stay humble, stick to what you can prove beyond a reasonable doubt, and remember that, while absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, it is to a degree suggestive of it. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]LimpCroissant 1 point2 points3 points 19 hours ago (0 children) I agree with all that you said. Yea, stick to what you know and can show. Speculation threads are fun sometimes also, as long as you let it be known that you're just speculating and having fun and not saying something as fact. This topic is a very strange one and possibly unlike anything that we've really chased as a (select, at least so far) society. "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, it is to a degree suggestive of it." I agree. However if what we've heard of this phenomenon, at least the more credible seeming stuff, this phenomenon is strange. Very strange. A lot of the very serious people have been saying for a while now that there is a lot more woo involved than a simple nuts n bolts extraterrestrials from another planet deal. Real physical evidence may be very hard to come by for a civilian. I don't know man, this phenomenon is just crazy and I'm not quite sure what to think. I do believe there's definitely something to it though. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]NiceGuyzFinish1st 0 points1 point2 points 13 hours ago (0 children) However I think we should all be working to further the cause of getting more transparency on the phenomena from the government(s) Hear hear, well said, I couldn't agree more. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]imtrappedintime 0 points1 point2 points 17 hours ago (0 children) I’ve received this response to debates on here so many times and seen it used to shut down critical thinking from others. Not sharing an opinion doesn’t make you a bot or paid actor. So many people have seen heinous examples from public figures, superiors in the professional world, their own family… that have taught them you can construct whatever narrative you want if you keep critical thinking from challenging it. I think when the govt runs operations like that it may amplify the effect, but it’s a very human and personal reaction to being challenged these days, if not always to some degree. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]nubesmateria 5 points6 points7 points 18 hours ago* (6 children) Yes and no Sometimes ppl here just call others bots because they don't agree with them. Lots of confirmation bias in this community permalink embed save parent report reply [–]ninelives1 1 point2 points3 points 17 hours ago (4 children) Lots of untaken meds in this community. Any disagreement is a grand government conspiracy, as if anyone is concerned about a subreddit. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]VirtualDoll 3 points4 points5 points 17 hours ago* (3 children) What an inaccurate, rude, lazy, grossly over-simplified, and generalized explanation permalink embed save parent report reply [–]atomictyler 3 points4 points5 points 16 hours ago (0 children) that's for sure. you can tell that person isn't a bot, because the bots put in more effort than they did. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]Beautiful-Amount2149 2 points3 points4 points 12 hours ago (0 children) Calling everyone who disagrees with you g man shills and bots isn't? People now react to sceptics with "how's the weather in Elgin??", that is just lazy derailing as much as any other troll comment permalink embed save parent report reply [–]Unlikely_Thought2205 -2 points-1 points0 points 9 hours ago (0 children) You forgot "basically true" permalink embed save parent report reply [–]headphones_J 0 points1 point2 points 1 hour ago (0 children) I would think the best way to use bots is for confirmation bias. Boosting the most obviously fake posts, worst takes, or the biggest frauds in the UFO scene. This is how you make the community look bad to anyone looking in. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]noun_exchanger 1 point2 points3 points 16 hours ago (1 child) Not to make things more confusing, but I used to be such a hard-headed skeptic that I'm sure I would have been thought to be a disinfo agent when viewed through the current lens. I'm more chill now in general with being open to new information/ideas/alternative perspectives. But back then, I ruffled some conspiracy/UFO community feathers. TL;DR people like me do actually exist and are not necessarily paid to be overly dismissive douche bags. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]PoppaJoe77 0 points1 point2 points 12 hours ago (0 children) I think this ties into the idea that there are bots and there are "human bots", or people who've been "trained" through forms of social conditioning to reflexively respond to certain topics with pat answers or specific emotional responses. Human bots can hopefully be reached. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]Unlucky_Process7315 1 point2 points3 points 14 hours ago (1 child) I GET INTERESTED whenever I see a post with 300 comments and 0 upvotes. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]Unlikely_Thought2205 0 points1 point2 points 9 hours ago (0 children) That's a normal controversial post. Half the people just downvoted permalink embed save parent report reply [–]Albino_Black_Sheep 1 point2 points3 points 10 hours ago (0 children) There are just as many bots promoting outrageous theories and thoroughly debunked nonsense. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]Dragonfruit-Still 6 points7 points8 points 21 hours ago (7 children) You have to also acknowledge that there are bits from foreign nations seeking to sow discord as well. By acting as true believers of ufo and getting people to believe irrational conclusions and mistrust the US government. That it is evil deep state elites controlling everything. There are incentives in that direction as well. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]Bobbox1980 9 points10 points11 points 19 hours ago (6 children) If the historical record is true, the US government should not be trusted. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]Dragonfruit-Still 4 points5 points6 points 19 hours ago (5 children) The US government is not some unitary entity. Some parts can be trusted, others not. Some have accountability, others don’t. governments would rather you keep a simple black and white view of things. Adversaries want you to think it’s all bad. Friendlies want you to think it’s all good. The reality is a mixed bag. Don’t fall for the oversimplification traps and propaganda. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]Bobbox1980 4 points5 points6 points 18 hours ago (4 children) Easy platitudes. Did or did not the CIA have loyal men in all major newsrooms during Operation Mockingbird? Even if there are good guys in the govt, and I am sure there are, doesn't mean historically speaking that elements in the US did not have the ability to exert their will on the world at large and were largely unchecked. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]Dragonfruit-Still -1 points0 points1 point 17 hours ago (3 children) What does your question have to do with my statement? Either answer doesn’t affect or disprove what I said. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]Bobbox1980 0 points1 point2 points 38 minutes ago (2 children) Operation Mockingbird is an example that the govt can't be trusted. Were there some politicians against it? Sure, it is not black and white. But those good guys in govt were not able to stop the operation from happening. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]Dragonfruit-Still 0 points1 point2 points 26 minutes ago (1 child) Operation mockingbird existing does not mean that the entire US gov cannot be trusted. The US gov is so much bigger and more complicated than I think you are capable of understanding. You just see it as “government bad”. A gross and ridiculous oversimplification. You are an example of how easy it is for a foreign adversary to flip a patriot against his own nation. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]Bobbox1980 0 points1 point2 points 16 minutes ago (0 children) I just acknowledged that people making up the govt are varied. But here's another example, the NSA collecting all data passing through the internet without a warrant. Are there members of congress and govt employees against that? Sure, but the program is still active and violating our 4th amendment rights. Patriotism is stupid. I am loyal to humanity as a whole and any other sentient life out there. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]TPconnoisseur 3 points4 points5 points 19 hours ago (0 children) IMO, the problem with the UFO topic from a public acceptance perspective, is too much of it is true. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]Hornet878 4 points5 points6 points 21 hours ago (14 children) To me it just looks like a lazy way to dismiss criticism. There are people here, like myself, who are interested in the subject but skeptical of what has been brought forth so far. So let's say a video comes out and I am critical of it. How do you engage with me? In fact, if someone provides contrary evidence that disproves or at least raises the improbability of a claim, who really cares if they are a bot? If a video or photograph is disproven then it's disproven. I don't care if it's me or you or a guy at Edwards AFB. So maybe I am missing the point, what utility does telling people that x account is a bot serve? permalink embed save parent report reply [–]LimpCroissant 14 points15 points16 points 21 hours ago (5 children) Well, I dont call out bot accounts when I see them, I just make a mental note of them. I also dont call people who raise good skeptical points a disinformation account. I'm skeptical of many things myself. Everyone is welcome to their opinion and we can learn from everyone as long as they show respect and not just blatant ridicule. The problem with bots in this community is they are not made to easily disseminate accurate, helpful information like you might find in a flashlight sub where someone asks "What's the best AA light I can get for $30", and the bot jumps in and gives you a FAQ with all the best recieved lights in each category. These are bots that are attacking people's character, bringing up blog posts from someone nobody's heard of saying they researched a historic sighting and discrediting, and other general ridicule. However bots here also go the other way in support of really far out theories, calling people disinformation agents, all that stuff too. Thats the really crazy part. Bots argue both ways to cause unrest. The mods of this sub reddit made a post about it. I think it was a while before Grusch came out that they posted that. On the sighting videos, I skip almost every single one honestly. They're too hard to tell what something is, they're full of bickering back and forth, and I never feel like I got anything out of them. Im here for the posts with research and thought provoking questions, news about the transparency movement within government, and notifications of new whistleblower statements and interviews. That's my jam. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]Juan_Carlo 3 points4 points5 points 19 hours ago (4 children) You need to post specific examples of bots then. I see people claiming there are thousands of bots here, but no one provides any examples when asked for them. So to me the whole "everyone who is a skeptic must be a bot" claim I see being made on here all the time just seems like a disingenuous way to dismiss any criticism out of hand. Plus, it's just plain wrong. Any pro-UFO post on this sub is almost always going to get a ton of upvotes, while most skeptical posts will either be downvoted into the negative numbers or have fewer upvotes. Look at the comment you are replying to, for example. It's a reasonable argument, yet it's currently in the negative in terms of downvotes. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]atomictyler 8 points9 points10 points 16 hours ago (2 children) Here you go. That was 10 months ago and it's safe to say there's likely to be even more of it considering the increase in popularity of this sub. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]FreeHumanity 1 point2 points3 points 4 hours ago (0 children) And of course the guy sowing doubt about obvious bot activity on this sub is nowhere to be found once the proof is posted. So typical of a certain type of user here. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]blacksun_redux 1 point2 points3 points 15 hours ago (0 children) Considering the conclusion from that post was that bot accounts post both pro believer and pro skeptic views in aggressive and antagonizing ways, it would seem that if the bot thing is true their goal is to sow discord and distrust in the community. so here’s my 4d chess: this very post is playing into their goals. People here saying “it’s all bots” and “trust no-one”. Seem like thats playing right into their goals. Unfortunently. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]LimpCroissant 4 points5 points6 points 19 hours ago (0 children) I've thought about doing that. Making a list of suspicious accounts as I come by them and then making a post. However to be honest I'm burnt out on the UFO topic at the moment and have been the past few weeks. I used to many, many hours researching and reading most of the stuff on here, however I'm burnt out do to all the ridicule and nasty behavior I see. And that goes both ways, from people who know (in their mind) that UFOs exist, from those that think UFOs exist, from those who are new, from those who are more skeptical, to those who are just here to discredit people, the movement, and to throw ridicule. We all need to do better. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]usps_made_me_insane 4 points5 points6 points 20 hours ago (7 children) I don't know why your comment is downvoted so much because it brings up some important points. This subject is not only a fringe subject but it concerns material that, if true, would completely change humanity's outlook on life, the cosmos, etc. There literally is nothing more profound except perhaps what happens after death, etc. That said, I invite criticism and skeptics because we need rational discussion of anything new that comes in here. The problem, though, is not skepticism but accounts that just have blanket denials on everything related to this topic. If you are here long enough, you start to remember accounts that deny everything. Then you have accounts that are really doing dodgy shit and trying to set the tone and pace of new topics. Honestly, I don't think Reddit is the best place to even have these discussions. It is too well known and way to easy for the powers that be to censor stuff or change comments outright. We know the CEO of Reddit has done that in the past because he has come out and said so. You don't want that type of power and personality mixed together. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]Juan_Carlo 2 points3 points4 points 19 hours ago (6 children) He's being downvoted because that's what always happens with skeptical arguments here. All the claims about there being bot armies downvoting credulous posts about UFOs are silly. Anyone who has posted here for any duration knows that this sub is mostly true believers who will upvote anything that claims UFOs are real, while down voting skepticism. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]Tiffany_Gomas 6 points7 points8 points 17 hours ago (4 children) Eh I been here for a long time, much longer than this account and most of the time it's some lazy ass denial like "looks like a weather balloon" that is the most upvoted. The issue I have with skeptics is that they typically are just skeptical of everything and haven't done nearly enough research into it besides window shopping. So they get skeptical because they just don't have the knowledge that if they were really interested in the topic, many feel that they wouldn't be so skeptical of everything and ready to call everything a balloon or ball lightning. permalink embed save parent report reply [+]Juan_Carlo comment score below threshold-6 points-5 points-4 points 17 hours ago* (3 children) Eh I been here for a long time, much longer than this account LOL, seriously? You've been here since August 2023. I've been here since 2017. Why blatantly lie like this when it's so easily disproven? permalink embed save parent report reply [–]Tiffany_Gomas 2 points3 points4 points 17 hours ago* (1 child) You seriously think this is my first and only account? Read what you quoted again, "much longer than this account". I have been here since the digg days and have had multiple accounts. I even used to mod. I try to quit my reddit addiction but it always wins. I was here when we all found out about poor Colby. I was here when ViolentAcrez was doxxed and his subs shutdown. I remember the Obama AMA that flooded this site with new users, that was way before your time. I was here long before you, before new reddit, before Automoderator was just a php script. I'm a old timer pal. Back in my day, we didn't have RES or fancy mobile apps to use Reddit. You couldn't even post an image you had to use imgur. There was no such thing as flair. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]Juan_Carlo -1 points0 points1 point 17 hours ago (0 children) OK, I'll just have to trust you on that then, bro. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]atomictyler 0 points1 point2 points 16 hours ago (0 children) I'm pretty sure they meant longer than the account they're posting on. you got extremely defensive for no reason. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]Ok-Dark9928 -4 points-3 points-2 points 18 hours ago (0 children) There are 100x more comments complaining about bots than actual bots. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]CommunicationAble621 1 point2 points3 points 20 hours ago (1 child) Hey - I think "Messengers of Deception" by Vallee is what you're looking for. Or "Operation Trojan Horse" by Keel. You'll love those books, and they're authored by solid minds. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]LimpCroissant 0 points1 point2 points 19 hours ago (0 children) Hello there. Alright thanks for the recommendations. I like Vallee, but don't know too much about Keel's work. I'll check them out, thanks. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]Tiffany_Gomas 1 point2 points3 points 18 hours ago (0 children) Eglin, AFB and other military bases were literally the top user "cities" of reddit and that was 10 years ago when they made their analytic stats public. Then they scrubbed those from the list when people noticed. There are more AI bots all over Reddit and social media in general than real people, and unless they are spam bots having fake conversations pimping financial scams, you would never know. There's slightly less bots now because they are charging for their API now but those were just low effort spammers. Plenty of parties have the money and are willing to pay to mass manipulate people. However, paying for API using multiple accounts just makes it more inconvenient. Before reddit got rid of awards, the news organizations would post their news on reddit then award comments made by their employees to boost their narratives and steer the conversation. You would never notice unless you dug into their profile comments and notice they only comment on nyt articles across reddit. There's not an easy way to spot a bot anymore, the replies can be very convincing and pass the turing test. It's not a conspiracy. You can run bots on a vps for cheap. It's easy to do these days. Anyone can buy a bot script that outsources the AI to chatgpt to read posts and generate replies. To get around paying chat gpt for their API, you can run it through bing chat which is basically gpt. A lot of bots are part of political think tanks or PACs who have thousands of bot accounts on reddit that monitor various political subs pushing the views they want while downvoting ones they don't like. They make lots of money doing this. I think it's gross physiological manipulation, they disagree of course. They take advantage of widespread vpns so their bots aren't traced back to them. I can't imagine how many the DoD runs all over the Internet. Grusch actually talked about this suggesting the costs are getting crazy high Social media platforms don't care about the bots, it's good for them. Inflates their user stats and increases engagement. Marketing people like bots, they help spread their message and you're none the wiser. Remember these famous words: That motherfucker is not real. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]theweedfairy420qt 1 point2 points3 points 17 hours ago (0 children) It's our job to fight back and upvote harder lol permalink embed save parent report reply [–]Alternative_Race7878 1 point2 points3 points 18 hours ago (1 child) I think we need to backtrace the bots. I've found a few a few disinformation accounts that deactivated after being called out . permalink embed save parent report reply [–]LimpCroissant 1 point2 points3 points 18 hours ago (0 children) Backtrace as in find their other accounts? Yea I've seen that happen a decent bit as well. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]6_Cat_Night 1 point2 points3 points 16 hours ago (0 children) "I didn't realize that there were bots and people who work so hard to discredit things that it seems they must be compensated, until I stumbled into the UFO community" Ha ha, I thought this sub was serious until reading this, especially with this as the first response: "It was truly refreshing and eye-opening at the same time to hear this take. Thank you so much for sharing your experience." Fucking hilarious! Really impressed at the straight faces you all maintain. Excellent work! permalink embed save parent report reply [–]niltermini -2 points-1 points0 points 19 hours ago (1 child) The funny part is the opposite is true: russian and other foreign intelligences promote the conspiracy with bots. They want you to believe in fairy tales while distrusting science/the gov/ the military..They also get average people believing this shit so they can have them take pics of anything in the sky (aka classified vehicles) while demanding to declassify state secrets. Theres a reason why it was the favorite of the soviet propaganda during the cold war. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]Internetofstupid -2 points-1 points0 points 15 hours ago (0 children) This is literally the dunning-kruger effect in action. There's no mass attempt to discredit things, hell the US Government openly admitted they believe in UAPs. You just want so badly for anything you've seen to be evidence, that you're willing to create a conspiracy theory to explain why other people don't agree. permalink embed save parent report reply [+]Big_Pomegranate_7712 comment score below threshold-9 points-8 points-7 points 20 hours ago (10 children) I didn't realize that there were bots and people who work so hard to discredit things There aren't. At least as far as UAP goes. If you mean, like Russian bots working to discredit Biden, sure. Those are legion, and there's tons of evidence and obvious reasons why. People just don't want to deal with the actual explanation that things they want to be true aren't true and that most ten year olds could reason that out. Bots exist, but to do things where there's a motive. No one has a motive to discredit obvious flawed logic or frauds. No one gains anything from explaining to you that David Grusch is full of shit. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]PoppaJoe77 8 points9 points10 points 20 hours ago (8 children) Thank you for reliably being the worst take in every thread. permalink embed save parent report reply [+]Big_Pomegranate_7712 comment score below threshold-10 points-9 points-8 points 20 hours ago (7 children) Listen, this can be a safe space for you to role play this fantasy world you want to live in, and that's fine. What it can't ALSO be is somewhere where everyone else has to play make believe along with you. I'm sorry that there's no rational reason anyone would be trying to discredit obviously false stuff. I'm sorry you can't have everything you want be true and a pony, too, and everyone else tell you how big and smart and tough and tall and strong you are. In the actual, objective reality we live in, however: There is no giant conspiracy that everyone who disagrees with you is part of. David Grusch didn't deliver a shred of actual evidence to anyone. There is no 'disclosure' of NHI existing and the government knowing about it coming. Not soon, not in 100 years. Please return to your regularly scheduled covering of your ears and yelling "LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU" permalink embed save parent report reply [–]PoppaJoe77 7 points8 points9 points 20 hours ago (2 children) Seriously. So consistent. permalink embed save parent report reply [+]Big_Pomegranate_7712 comment score below threshold-6 points-5 points-4 points 19 hours ago (1 child) Yup, objective reality is definitely consistent. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]PoppaJoe77 3 points4 points5 points 18 hours ago (0 children) Consistently far stranger than we could have possibly imagined the deeper we look into it, and consistently far beyond our ability to fully grasp and comprehend. Which makes definitive, dogmatic statements such as yours, frankly, silly. You don't know anything. None of us do. Sit with that thought a little while, maybe, before you come back. See if it doesn't bring up a little humility. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]INcticUS 6 points7 points8 points 19 hours ago (1 child) Lol it’s really amusing that you’re trying this hard to convince yourself. It couldn’t be more obvious. Your extreme insistence and the way you phrase your arguments sounds like you’re desperately trying to calm yourself down because the possibility of these things being true scares you for some reason. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]PoppaJoe77 3 points4 points5 points 19 hours ago (0 children) Exactly. Thi is not a skeptic stance at all. It's nothing but emotional wailing against a dark, scary, confusing universe that just might not be as neat and tidy and well-under stood as they believed. Stir in a dollop of strawman arguments against beliefs I have not espoused. Beliefs I may or may not hold; they have no way of knowing. But I must believe all these things the imaginary UFOlogist they've built in their head believes because I told them they have consistently bad takes. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]toxictoy -1 points0 points1 point 17 hours ago (1 child) This isn’t some hyperbole. You have a very new account and I think you are new to this subject so to you this sounds like crazy echo chamber but to people who look at actual primary documents and have done FOIA requests your response is seriously misinformed and that literally is by design. Here is the fact that coverup and the subsequent disinformation are a factual reality. https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/v9vedn/for_the_record_that_there_has_... The fact also is that the UFO Stigma was actually created by the CIA and The Air Force with the help of the new Madison Avenue Advertising agencies and psychologists - how do we know this? Again primary sources Also look here tons of information about bots on this very site and research about the ways the military are manipulating ALL OF US all over social media - ufology is just one part of it. There are similar, already confirmed, real documents like this. You don't need sketchy documents to make a great argument that social media is compromised. Behavioral Science Support for JTRIG'S Effects and Online HUMINT Operations, leaked courtesy of Edward Snowden: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2108174-behavioural-science-support-... Leaked slides: The Art of Deception: Training for a New Generation of Online Covert Operations: https://web.archive.org/web/20190626033632/https://theintercept.com/document... The accompanying article for the above: https://theintercept.com/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/ Airforce ARS Technica - how to control people like drones via social media https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/07/air-force-research-ho... https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2011/mar/17/us-spy-operation-social-n... Other examples of similar information here: https://np.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/16qds82/is_disinformation_antidemocrat... permalink embed save parent report reply [–]Aeropro 1 point2 points3 points 7 hours ago (0 children) It kind of reminds me of how Snowden leaked that the government was spying on us, a clear violation of the 4th amendment and the right to privacy, and everyone just got mad at him for leaking it and didn’t care about what the govt did and is probably still doing. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]Aeropro 0 points1 point2 points 8 hours ago (0 children) You’re axiomatically assuming that there is nothing to the phenomenon to begin with. It’s all a fraud so why bother discrediting? It’s very transparently causing an inability for you to see any possible motive one might have to continue the stigma surrounding this topic. permalink embed save parent report reply [+]GigglesOverShits comment score below threshold-7 points-6 points-5 points 14 hours ago (4 children) You are conspiracy theorists. You quite literally follow the same logical fallacies a conspiracy theorist does and there’s hundreds of posts and thousands of comments on this sub that objectively and observably showcase this. It’s one thing to speculate. To ponder and muse. But y’all don’t do that. You make INCREDIBLY grandiose ASSERTIONS about the nature of our world. There is no conclusive proof or evidence available that can be corroborated by the scientific community at proving aliens exist. Yet y’all are on this very sub not just asserting that aliens exist, but that they’re here. And that they’ve been here and are in cahoots with the government. That there are secret abduction programs, and alien human hybrids out in the population, and that we possess technology thousands of years more sophisticated than ours, etc. And y’all say all this shit as if it’s a COLD HARD FACT. Constantly, all the time, most people here talk about some pretty crazy shit like it’s just a common fact. And it’s not. And that’s why y’all get labeled conspiracy theorists. You downplay conventional explanations for supernatural ones. You dismiss official institutions of knowledge and science and instead parrot uncorroborated bullshit. You attribute everything to a conspiracy. It’s always the government doing some shadowy nefarious thing. You think because conspiracies have happened in the past, that’s somehow evidence that this is a conspiracy. You think a LACK OF EVIDENCE is somehow proof of the thing you don’t have evidence for. Yall literally just say whatever the fuck you want and you somehow think that makes it a fact. There is no respect for critical thought here, or evidence based thinking. You’re emotionally invested and it’s created a confirmation bias that none of you seem to be able to balance. Look, I’m all for wanting to know the truth and keeping an open mind. But what y’all do here is not about an honest search for truth. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]LimpCroissant 3 points4 points5 points 14 hours ago (3 children) I think you're speaking incredibly over broad. There's many of us here that don't do any of that. We got here as skeptics and then read stacks of unclassified US, French, Australian (etc) declassified military and government documents saying in black and white that there are technological crafts making incursions into sensitive airspace all the time, throughout history, back to WW2 and before. People who first get here think we just pulled this stuff out of our ass, no there's years worth of material if you have the interest and motivation to go on the research journey. Of course you get the casual observer that comes in here as well and likes to speculate. That's fine also, as long as you specify that you're speculating and not quoting information from an official source. permalink embed save parent report reply [+]GigglesOverShits -3 points-2 points-1 points 14 hours ago (2 children) There’s hundreds of comments a day showcasing this behavior. A good majority of the sub. I understand not 100% of people here are like this but a majority are and it’s demonstrable. Just go read comments. On any post. When you behave like this in a group, people are gona label you loonies. And it’s NOT because you believe in aliens. It’s because of how you go about it, the lack of logic you use, and the complete disrespect for the scientific process and what constitutes actual evidence. It’s one thing to speculate. It’s a whole other to make wild assertions positioned as facts about something as magnanimous as alien life being in this planet communicating with our government when there’s not a single shred of ACTUAL evidence for it. That’s absurd. It’s not absurd to say, I think intelligent life is out there somewhere. But to say, I do believe in intelligent life and I do believe it’s here and now let me rattle off some insanely specific magnanimous details that I’m gona label as true even though there’s diddly squat to prove it. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]Aeropro 0 points1 point2 points 8 hours ago (1 child) That’s not really a response to what u/LimpCroissant said. He stated that he came here as a skeptic, saw some evidence and changed his mind. You don’t find the evidence to be sufficient. We get it. Your rant is not necessary. permalink embed save parent report reply [+]GigglesOverShits -1 points0 points1 point 3 hours ago (0 children) No it is. Y’all assert everything as fact when it’s not. You think anything that comes outs of your mouth is true. You’re logical process is literally the same as anti-vaxers or 9/11 truthers. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]r00fMod 0 points1 point2 points 16 hours ago (2 children) How do you tell which ones are the bots? Just check their profile and history? permalink embed save parent report reply [–]LimpCroissant 2 points3 points4 points 15 hours ago (0 children) Here's a little guide that I have saved that I can post off hand. Honestly though I see more accounts that are definitely typed by hand. Just go to their account and see what they're all about. Tell-tale signs are usually they've only made 1 to a handful of total posts in some weird sub reddit (we all have our wierd sub reddits), they usually have under 1000 total comment karma, and then every single post in r/ufos and r/aliens, r/ufob, r/ anything related to UFOs is just pure nasty, negative trash talk. It happens often. There's even a few accounts that have been going for years just trash talking UFOs. Bots. How to identify them, and why do they exist on Reddit? https://www.reddit.com/user/tyrannosnorlax/comments/t0h466/bots_how_to_identify_them_and_why_do_they_exist/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button permalink embed save parent report reply [–]PoppaJoe77 1 point2 points3 points 16 hours ago (0 children) Caught a good rule of thumb further down the thread. I'd link it if I wasn't lazy and knew how. Sum it up: if the poster is asking you to: A) accept claims without evidence Or B) ignore evidence Assume they're a bot and ignore them. With any misinformation techniques that may be more advanced? No clue. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]GiantSequoiaTree 0 points1 point2 points 15 hours ago (0 children) The GameStop community as well has the same bot problems. Wallstreet does not like us talking about and exposing their crimes. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]Slavesandbulldozers7 0 points1 point2 points 13 hours ago (0 children) Same here. I agree. I like your screen name btw lol. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]LuceArsoul 0 points1 point2 points 12 hours ago (0 children) Muddying the waters permalink embed save parent report reply [–]Unlikely_Thought2205 0 points1 point2 points 9 hours ago (0 children) I know Russian political bots well, but where are bots here? I haven't seen any until yet. I noticed lots of people are just called bots, who clearly aren't. Would someone show me their activities in any way? permalink embed save parent report reply [–]Whyevenlive88 0 points1 point2 points 5 hours ago (0 children) ITT: people that fall victim to confirmation bias. No one needs to spend any money discrediting anything here. A 10 year old with a science education could do so. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]pitmaster987 0 points1 point2 points 5 hours ago (0 children) There was a post on here within the last cpl months showing the most active geographic area was the same small town where the Public Relations office for the Air Force is. Or something along those lines. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]PickWhateverUsername 0 points1 point2 points 5 hours ago (0 children) Sad thing tho is with Dolan's take, they don't even need to use bots. Everyone is just going to by default consider that people who don't agree with them or downvote them are bots because that's how conspiracies work : "I or someone else I agree with have the truth and people not agreeing are all part of the conspiracy to keep the truth from coming out" And so the community eats itself out because rather then healthy debates based on "proof" (that let's admit is very thin over here) sides are taken and reinforced until a group splits out. Rinse and repeat. Dolan is the ultimate bot then I guess. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]livid4 0 points1 point2 points 4 hours ago (0 children) Fr, I discredit any comment on a ufo vid that immediately says “looks fake”. Another trend I noticed is any time Jeffrey Corbell or similar will suggest that X is happening soon, all the bots will come and comment “release the footage or shut up” or “stopped listening bc they never do anything” etc. I feel like the latter is intentionally discouraging in the current disclosure movement, like we might feel that way but I don’t believe that the ufo community would rather have these key people be silent over keeping an open line of communication it’s ridiculous. Trying to exclude them from ufo discussions is crazy and seems like a fake op to me permalink embed save parent report reply [–]shadowofashadow 0 points1 point2 points 3 hours ago (0 children) Reminder that at one point Eglin airforce base had the highest traffic on reddit. https://www.reddit.com/r/Blackout2015/comments/4ylml3/reddit_has_removed_the... permalink embed save parent report reply [–]postngofmyownvoliton 209 points210 points211 points 23 hours ago (20 children) Yeah, remember this before you jump on the next bandwagon around here guys, for or against any video or breaking news. Reddit is ground zero for this crap, don’t even need a valid email address to register and post on reddit. This place is full of mud people muddying the waters. permalink embed save report reply [–]Eurotrashie 89 points90 points91 points 22 hours ago (8 children) BIngo - a few years ago Reddit itself cited that the city that most uses Reddit was Eglin Air Force base…. Hmmmmm. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]EasyPissedoffFeeling 22 points23 points24 points 22 hours ago (7 children) Is that true? permalink embed save parent report reply [–]t3kner 45 points46 points47 points 22 hours ago (2 children) https://www.reddit.com/r/Blackout2015/comments/4ylml3/reddit\_has\_removed\_their\_blog\_post\_identifying/ permalink embed save parent report reply [+]EasyPissedoffFeeling comment score below threshold-22 points-21 points-20 points 21 hours ago (1 child) Thats some interesting evidence, sort of. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]hshnslsh 7 points8 points9 points 18 hours ago (0 children) Pretty compelling imo. permalink embed save parent report reply [+][deleted] 22 hours ago (1 child) [deleted] [+]EasyPissedoffFeeling comment score below threshold-11 points-10 points-9 points 21 hours ago (0 children) I dont get it....oh wait I get it. You're a nice boy. permalink embed save report reply [–]Eurotrashie 0 points1 point2 points 16 hours ago (0 children) I hate to break it to you… permalink embed save parent report reply [–]eeeezypeezy 0 points1 point2 points 5 hours ago (0 children) https://web.archive.org/web/20160410083943/http://www.redditblog.com/2013/05... web archive link of the quickly-deleted original reddit blog post where they call Eglin AFB "the most reddit-addicted city" lol permalink embed save parent report reply [–]TankieTanuki 18 points19 points20 points 22 hours ago (5 children) It's pretty bad here. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]postngofmyownvoliton 11 points12 points13 points 21 hours ago (2 children) That’s a good one, reminds me of the compilation videos of the 50 newscasters in 50 states having the same opinions, jokes, and reactions to the news they’re “reporting”. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]YuSmelFani 0 points1 point2 points 11 hours ago (1 child) So….basically the news reporters are actors? Would love to see that compilation video. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]postngofmyownvoliton 1 point2 points3 points 7 hours ago (0 children) Yes, they all get their scripts from the same source, cause all news companies are owned by the same couple people. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]Interesting-Ad-9330 4 points5 points6 points 21 hours ago (1 child) Where did you source this from? It's very interesting. We should be looking for concrete evidence of this kind of manipulation in this and related subs too. And I mean concrete, not just every fifth comment saying "BOtS" and "eglin staff are back lol" permalink embed save parent report reply [–]TankieTanuki 6 points7 points8 points 21 hours ago* (0 children) I didn't create the image myself. I would have to search the API or something to find the posts. Edit: Here are the links: https://archive.ph/jIosL https://archive.ph/0cyjW permalink embed save parent report reply [–]HugeAppeal2664 13 points14 points15 points 18 hours ago (3 children) It’s obvious as fuck there is some dodgy accounts in here I made a post last week about it, there are accounts that are dedicated to instantly being negative about something no matter what and they all have low karma, years old accounts and they specifically only come here to comment. There obviously a lot of trolls as well with their alt accounts but definitely some suspect activity outside of that permalink embed save parent report reply [–]atomictyler 9 points10 points11 points 16 hours ago (1 child) Any post about Avi Loeb gets hit really hard by all the negative comments. Without fail. It's incredibly obvious there's a lot of effort going towards discrediting him or at least trying to make him look crazy. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]LouisUchiha04 0 points1 point2 points 6 hours ago (0 children) Kyle Hill (a good science youtube content creator and educator) just released a video sh*tting on UFO communities and Avi Loeb...lol. He obviously did not research the topic... permalink embed save parent report reply [–]rockyjack793 0 points1 point2 points 16 hours ago (0 children) I mean it is ground zero for misinformation but your post in itself could be considered it as well. Reddit is ground 0 for all of it. We are simultaneously the most informed and the most influenced. But this is also ground zero for complex discussion and advancement of public understanding permalink embed save parent report reply [–]MsGreenT 21 points22 points23 points 22 hours ago (1 child) Pretty much whatever I'm doing on social media I'm assuming there are bots. In fact, I know there are bots. I'm a part of a small community who are constantly maligned for political / culture war issues to distract from mainstream political failings of our elected leaders. Sadly, it works and it causes immense harm. permalink embed save report reply [–]EfficientNeck9029 0 points1 point2 points 2 hours ago (0 children) For all I know you’re a bot lol, it’s wild out here. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]blue_estron 75 points76 points77 points 22 hours ago (5 children) Not only do they trash talk - they also entertain the stuff that's obviously bullshit, and use it to create divides as well as make the community seem mental, so new people and those disillusioned by it end up leaving. There are certain favourable phrases I think they use too, "nothing burger", "trust me bro", stuff that is so trite, but that quickly knocks something and packages it with the rest. I also suspect they derail conversations with chains of silly commentary, unoriginal attempts at being funny. Always making a pun out of things. permalink embed save report reply [–]sprague_drawer 24 points25 points26 points 19 hours ago (1 child) I also suspect they derail conversations with chains of silly commentary, unoriginal attempts at being funny. Always making a pun out of things. To be fair, this is 50% of all Reddit comment sections. From UFOs, to sports, to politics. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]PoppaJoe77 -1 points0 points1 point 12 hours ago (0 children) To be fair, this doesn't refute their point, it amplifies it. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]AcheInMyLeftEar 9 points10 points11 points 21 hours ago (0 children) I think he should have emphasized that they play both sides more than he did, at least in this clip. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]kanrad -2 points-1 points0 points 7 hours ago (0 children) I think you and others need to understand what platform you have chosen to find your truth on. This is reddit, it's not a serious place and is full of kiddos that like to push buttons for fun. This is not the place to find disclosure or discuss anything that matters. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]Nova_Tango 0 points1 point2 points 16 hours ago (0 children) That last part sounds pretty human. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]keep-it 62 points63 points64 points 23 hours ago (2 children) Richard is the man permalink embed save report reply [–]MKULTRA_Escapee 28 points29 points30 points 22 hours ago (1 child) Agreed. He said it way better than I could. Some citations to back up what Dolan was stating for the lazy: https://np.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/172jm2j/dissimulation_hide_the_real_ma... Additional information: https://np.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/16qds82/is_disinformation_antidemocrat... The moderators of this forum proved that at least one network of fake accounts existed in this forum, operating for at least months, and lets be honest, probably years: https://np.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/10r0vq4/community_update_on_incivility... Perhaps this particular network wasn't GCHQ specifically. There's no way to prove who specifically is responsible, so you could argue that, but the concept is the same. It could easily be Russians. They were just sloppy enough to leave a little bit of conclusive evidence behind, so maybe it was somebody else this time. Either way you slice it, somebody is making fake accounts in this subreddit specifically to disrupt the discourse, which means you can't draw any conclusions about the community based on your feelings of how the discourse is going. Perhaps someone is naive and doesn't realize that shenanigans are occurring by somebody, whoever that may be, and they never spent the time to read about the internet astroturfing subject, so they believe it's unlikely. It's less important who it is and you can't prove who it is anyway. Governments waste money all the time, so even if you believe it would be a waste of money to manipulate this forum, astroturfers have been manipulating forums since the Bush/Gore election of 2000. They do it anyway, waste of money or not. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]F-the-mods69420 1 point2 points3 points 8 hours ago (0 children) When the American public fully realizes the extent they're being fucked with, they ain't gonna be happy. To this day most people walk around oblivious to what Snowden revealed. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]Prior_Woodpecker635 27 points28 points29 points 21 hours ago (0 children) Newer to Reddit and immediately thought so many bad faith comments weren’t real. Even in the war subs.. It’s uncanny to real sentiments... nihilistic permalink embed save report reply [–]Lone-sta-r 60 points61 points62 points 22 hours ago (20 children) The majority of reddit post are bots. Either farming karma or trying to push the youth in one direction over the other. There's videos where companies are for hire to specifically do this. Fake accounts that look real and guide the conversation in one direction with fake upvotes etc. permalink embed save report reply [–]LakeMichUFODroneGuy 3 points4 points5 points 21 hours ago (19 children) It is impossible to tell these days who is real here. This entire sub is bots, no humans allowed: https://old.reddit.com/r/SubSimulatorGPT2/ Pretty freaky. permalink embed save parent report reply [+]quetzalcosiris comment score below threshold-7 points-6 points-5 points 20 hours ago (17 children) Nah...it's really not that hard to tell. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]LakeMichUFODroneGuy 21 points22 points23 points 20 hours ago (15 children) That's because you know it's not real. People don't notice these types of comments when they are inserted into real conversations. Your comment for example, "Nah...it's really not that hard to tell." is about the most generic comment with the least amount of effort that could be made into writing it. You literally sound like a bot from that sub. In fact, most of your posts are just one liner generic responses that require no thought whatsoever. permalink embed save parent report reply [+]quetzalcosiris comment score below threshold-8 points-7 points-6 points 20 hours ago (14 children) Lol, I gladly invite everybody to check out my profile and come to their own conclusion about that. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]FancySloth 13 points14 points15 points 19 hours ago (11 children) I've checked. I think you're a bot. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]HonestCletus 4 points5 points6 points 19 hours ago (0 children) 50 day account and over 10000 post karma. That’s a little fishy permalink embed save parent report reply [–]TheCultureCitizen -2 points-1 points0 points 9 hours ago (3 children) If you're at the point where you think everybody you disagree with online is a bot you should probably log off for a while for your own mental health. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]FancySloth 0 points1 point2 points 9 hours ago (2 children) If you think I was being serious, maybe you need to follow your own advice before lending it to others. People like him who blindly believe any con-man or hoaxer in the UFO sphere will often call anybody who disagrees with them "bots". I was doing the same thing to him, because it's ridiculous. I was taking the piss. Point is: it's so easy to turn it round on them. When they accuse you of being a bot, double down and accuse them. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]TheCultureCitizen 0 points1 point2 points 9 hours ago (1 child) Ah ok, it's hard to tell tbh, I've seen many people unironically say such things. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]FancySloth -1 points0 points1 point 9 hours ago (0 children) That's exactly why I say it ironically, to the people who say it unironically. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]quetzalcosiris -5 points-4 points-3 points 19 hours ago (5 children) Thanks, the people reading will consider that an endorsement. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]SabineRitter 3 points4 points5 points 19 hours ago (0 children) True facts 💯 permalink embed save parent report reply [–]FancySloth 4 points5 points6 points 19 hours ago (0 children) What's Eglin base like, agent smith? permalink embed save parent report reply [–]psychedelianaut 0 points1 point2 points 10 hours ago (2 children) Considering you spam post almost nothing but tripe, the only thing I could endorse is that you find the will if you even have it to portray some sense of a personality. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]Aeropro -2 points-1 points0 points 7 hours ago (1 child) We need to think of a phrase or question that any human would know how to appropriately respond to but would reveal an AI by their response permalink embed save parent report reply [–]psychedelianaut -2 points-1 points0 points 6 hours ago (0 children) We could try talking to them in morse code. -.-- --- ..- .----. .-. . / .- / -.. . ... .--. .. -.-. .- -... .-.. . / .-. --- -... --- - / - .... .- - / --- -. .-.. -.-- / ... .--. . .-- ... / -. --- -. ... . -. ... . / -.. . ... .. --. -. . -.. / - --- / -.. .. ... - .-. .- -.-. - permalink embed save parent report reply [–]Gina_the_Alien 1 point2 points3 points 16 hours ago (1 child) Posting the exact same thing to six different subreddits multiple times? That’s one of the biggest tells of a bot imho permalink embed save parent report reply [–]currently__working 3 points4 points5 points 18 hours ago (0 children) Those are GPT2. Were at GPT4 now (at least) permalink embed save parent report reply [–]aliensinbermuda[S] 30 points31 points32 points 23 hours ago (2 children) Richard Dolan is a UFO (UAP) researcher and historian. He went on the Theories of Everything podcast and talked about intelligence agencies interfering in the UFO community. permalink embed save report reply [–]Dream-Ambassador 11 points12 points13 points 21 hours ago (1 child) is this the one from 2 years ago or is it something more recent? permalink embed save parent report reply [+]Waspinator4ever 0 points1 point2 points 15 hours ago (0 children) Seems like it's the one from 2021 and there hasn't been a more recent one, it was just prescient for today's struggles with keeping the community oriented at the correct targets permalink embed save parent report reply [–]JPXRAY 31 points32 points33 points 22 hours ago (6 children) Shortly after the Grusch hearings, I created a post on a UFO subreddit sharing my opinion that what was happening was Government-led disclosure. The post started to get hundreds of comments and engagement. Shortly after I received a notification that the post was removed by the moderator. I messaged to ask why and they said “your post was bot-swarmed”. permalink embed save report reply [–]MKULTRA_Escapee 13 points14 points15 points 20 hours ago (1 child) If you post a portion of a direct quote, I think I can search it in modmail. Do you still have it on hand? I searched your username on modmail and got nothing, so maybe it's not working right or something? You should be able to link me directly to the modmail. Modmails can't be deleted as far as I know, so we should easily be able to find it. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]JPXRAY 3 points4 points5 points 17 hours ago (0 children) https://reddit.com/r/UFOB/s/D8sajgAtHF My mistake, it was UFOB and the comments were locked because of an “LLM bot swarm” according to the moderator permalink embed save parent report reply [–]Llamawehaveadrama 5 points6 points7 points 21 hours ago (3 children) Interesting. So you said something in that post that got their attention. Hm. Maybe we should start archiving which topics get bot-swarmed and look for patterns. I wonder if mods can access past, since-deleted posts from this sub permalink embed save parent report reply [–]andreasmiles23 6 points7 points8 points 17 hours ago (1 child) It could be done if you could get access to the API Which used to be free to access, I know colleagues who used it to do qualitative analyses all the time to do exactly those kinds of analyses (not related to bots but related to the kinds of content in comments during different points in time) But Reddit decided to put a crazy price on access to their API which is why all the third-party apps got killed. But that wasn't the only consequence, a lot of social scientists were using this data and this makes it nearly impossible without a big grant or institutional funding. Do with that information what you will. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]Llamawehaveadrama 1 point2 points3 points 16 hours ago (0 children) Ohh okay. Damn. That sucks. I knew that whole thing was bad for lots of reasons and this is just one more reason to add to the list. Convenient for them this change happened when it did ig but it probably had nothing to do with this and is just a coincidence. Greedy corporations always ruin everything. Just wish they’d waited another year before they had the idea lol permalink embed save parent report reply [–]JPXRAY 1 point2 points3 points 17 hours ago (0 children) https://reddit.com/r/UFOB/s/D8sajgAtHF My mistake. The comments were locked, but the moderator did say it was an LLM bot swarm. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]tinosaladbar 4 points5 points6 points 19 hours ago (0 children) Can we or the mods fight back on these bots? Is there anything we can do? permalink embed save report reply [–]shattypantsMcGee 4 points5 points6 points 18 hours ago (0 children) The answer is our species is controlled. Give a select few and advantage and they’ll control us for them. permalink embed save report reply [–]drollere 5 points6 points7 points 17 hours ago* (0 children) it's unclear from dolan's meandering response whether the topic is bots or divisive communities or US government disinformation or psyops in the napoleonic wars, or what, exactly; but as a reader familiar with the UFO community trope that "bots are controlling our community!" and "disinformation agents are attacking our community!", it seems to me pretty plain when there is a bot response or not. there are two kinds of bot responses, the bot responses from bots and the bot responses from humans. the bot responses from humans are just stereotypical points of view without substantive relevance to the evidence, or one liner jokes or retorts or tailriders, "low energy" posts that are supposed to be prohibited but flourish here anyway. i skim them like the output from a random joke generator and enjoy the very few of them that are witty. the bot responses from bots repeat discredited arguments or points of view, ad hominems and dark conspiracy talk, including dark talk about bot talk, and they do it in a generic way, again without reference to any actual evidence, or citing manufactured evidence. i've always said that if you just focus on evidence, or explore where the evidence ends and the storytelling begins, then it doesn't matter, really, if you are talking to a bot or not, because you are having a reasonable, evidence based conversation that any third person would find interesting. anything else you do, whether it is with a person or a bot is only going to be a distraction from you saying anything that might interest anybody else. your stance towards bots just needs to rest on two ideas: they entice you to accept claims without evidence, and they turn you away from a reasonable focus on the evidence. guard against either accepting empty claims or turning away from evidence, and you'll be fine. permalink embed save report reply [–]pepper-blu 20 points21 points22 points 22 hours ago (10 children) I wish I could get paid to be a troll, sounds like the easiest job in the world permalink embed save report reply [–]BearlyGrowingWizard 5 points6 points7 points 21 hours ago (0 children) I wonder if we will get a 2035 Oscar’s movie named, “Trolls” starring an aging Justin Timberlake about the tolls on trolls in the government. Close calls of meeting in real life, etc. crazy this all could be true. 😅😂 permalink embed save parent report reply [–]EasyPissedoffFeeling 1 point2 points3 points 22 hours ago (0 children) found the paid troll permalink embed save parent report reply [–]synthwavve 0 points1 point2 points 21 hours ago (0 children) I just farmed them in LOTRO. Are you sure? permalink embed save parent report reply [–]ShirelySue 0 points1 point2 points 19 hours ago (0 children) I know! It also sounds like it would kind of be fun, too. Perhaps my idea of fun is a tad twisted... permalink embed save parent report reply [+]sumofdeltah comment score below threshold-6 points-5 points-4 points 21 hours ago (0 children) Just make a video accusing others of being trolls and bots while making giant claims that you never have to back up. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]BA_lampman 0 points1 point2 points 1 hour ago (4 children) Would you do it? I wouldn't, for a million dollars. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]pepper-blu 0 points1 point2 points 1 hour ago (3 children) I would in a heartbeat. Money brings happiness. Easy money is even better. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]BA_lampman 0 points1 point2 points 55 minutes ago (2 children) How sad. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]pepper-blu 0 points1 point2 points 48 minutes ago (1 child) can't live off ideals, money is unfortunately a necessity permalink embed save parent report reply [–]BA_lampman [score hidden] 5 minutes ago (0 children) Yeah, I get it. Sucks to hear though, as a truth seeker. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]halflife5 6 points7 points8 points 18 hours ago (1 child) It always amazes me how people denied the disinfo campaign. Pay any attention to how the United States intelligence community disrupts socialist movements across the world and it makes it abundantly clear what's going on. permalink embed save report reply [–]retoy1 2 points3 points4 points 20 hours ago (0 children) A good example of the the bot networks that he’s referring to is AIMS. It’s no small operation, and if you think AIMS is bad, I can only imagine what the IC has in their arsenal. Paired with a trained GPT AI that’s instructed to read and respond a certain way to discredit people or topics, it gets scary real quick. permalink embed save report reply [–]conkreteJs 8 points9 points10 points 20 hours ago (1 child) If you weren't aware that there are bots and paid actors, with extremely high karma, in all of the biggest and influential subs, you haven't been paying attention. All of the accepted narratives are always in line with the DoD/Globalist agenda. If you disagree even slightly, you get downvoted to hell. permalink embed save report reply [–]smellybarbiefeet 1 point2 points3 points 20 hours ago (0 children) High karma young accounts permalink embed save parent report reply [–]GalacticCowHeist 9 points10 points11 points 22 hours ago* (0 children) That COINTELPRO guide could be pinned here permenantly. Forum sliding, Astroturfing, Red herrings, Gaslighting (Subtle and not so subtle), and Ad Hom attacks are unusually high here. Alot of people will always assume any and all people 'arguing' with them is simply not understanding what they're saying or is just trolling or being dense just to be an ass. Alot of people don't expect a single person or AI to have 2 or more accounts arguing with eachother while manipulating votes to fabricate consensus. _ You don't even have to go into 'woo' to accept this, we already know companies do this to push products, services, articles, opinions. permalink embed save report reply [–]scammingladdy 10 points11 points12 points 20 hours ago (8 children) After being in this community for many months now this has been very obvious to me. Every video posted here, especially the ones that are very convincing, always have the random debunkers commenting the same excuses over and over: it’s a plastic bag, it’s a flare, its a balloon, a kite, or if its undeniably odd guess what it must be CGI. Now don’t get me wrong sometimes these explanations are true and most videos are bs. But it’s becoming predictable which excuse the bots/trolls are gona use. permalink embed save report reply [–]Public-Pilot-6490 -1 points0 points1 point 11 hours ago (6 children) So... when people debunk shitty videos they are bots right? Okay... I personally left this topic, I'm not interested anymore, all this UFO bait topic is about retired old guys who have been making promises for over 80 years, fake jouirnalists who trashtalks everyday, give 0 evidence of any shit and even make crazy claims. But hey, I'm a bot because I don't believe them hahahaha. Anyways, you all have fun with your paranoia here, I'll be back in a few months to laugh a bit more and ask again for evidence just to be called yet again a bot ayyy lmao. permalink embed save parent report reply [–][deleted] 10 hours ago (4 children) [removed] [–]Public-Pilot-6490 0 points1 point2 points 10 hours ago (1 child) Stop reporting people to suicide prevention bots, you need psychiatric help. permalink embed save report reply [–]Unlikely_Thought2205 -1 points0 points1 point 9 hours ago (0 children) I don't see it. Their post is completely normal. Even unexpectedly normal for reddit permalink embed save report reply [–]UFOs-ModTeam[M] -1 points0 points1 point 4 hours agolocked comment (0 children) Follow the Standards of Civility: No trolling or being disruptive. No insults or personal attacks. No accusations that other users are shills. No hate speech. No abusive speech based on race, religion, sex/gender, or sexual orientation. No harassment, threats, or advocating violence. No witch hunts or doxxing. (Please redact usernames when possible) An account found to be deleting all or nearly all of their comments and/or posts can result in an instant permanent ban. This is to stop instigators and bad actors from trying to evade rule enforcement. You may attack each other's ideas, not each other. permalink embed save report [–]Unlikely_Thought2205 -3 points-2 points-1 points 9 hours ago (0 children) So if someone posts an obvious CGI, people who call it out are bots? It's impossible to achieve any discussion with this mindset. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]cogitoergopwn 4 points5 points6 points 20 hours ago (0 children) only the smartest people with good bullshit detectors will prevail. the rest are rubes or didn’t pass the internet test. gotta take it all in and sift through the bullshit, and social media has a metric fuckton of bullshit permalink embed save report reply [–]JewpiterUrAnus 3 points4 points5 points 17 hours ago (0 children) Ever since Grusch’s story there’s at least 7000 accounts in this community at any one time. It used to be a LOT less. I hear people saying forget the MH370 stuff it’s all disinfo. Then I hear people say the same about David Greer or Ross Coulhart. Bottom line is - we should as a community do the following: Scrutinise everything but also keep an open mind. Be willing to have discussions without it turning sour. Pay attention to the accounts that just want to wage war or call people out. This is a new(ish) account for myself (I needed a new account set up for this part of my hobbies/interests.) People might look at me and think ‘bot’ or that I’m some sort of agent. And good. Do. Question everything. BUT still look into whatever it is they say. Because that way, we always account for the truths. permalink embed save report reply [–]SuperbWater330 5 points6 points7 points 22 hours ago (0 children) Curt plays dumb way too much. There are bots? 🙄 permalink embed save report reply [–]veigar42 3 points4 points5 points 22 hours ago (1 child) So basically call your reps and voice your concerns. permalink embed save report reply [–]UAoverAU 1 point2 points3 points 16 hours ago (0 children) “Excuse me Mr/Ms Representative, I’m aware there’s a conflict in Israel, but let me tell you about these bots on Reddit.” “Click.” permalink embed save parent report reply [–]rite_of_truth 3 points4 points5 points 22 hours ago (0 children) It's happening right now with the "OMG all NHI are evil!" posts. such a load of shit. permalink embed save report reply [–]MellowDramaticWhale 6 points7 points8 points 22 hours ago (6 children) The problem with this sub is that anytime someone questions anything or shows any skepticism, asks for evidence ect ect ect. You instantly get referred to as a bot or disinformation agent. It’s ridiculous. Videos like this will just bolster peoples feelings that anyone who disagrees with them must be a bot. permalink embed save report reply [–]Hornet878 9 points10 points11 points 21 hours ago (1 child) This is such a toxic way to validate a worldview and it basically guarantees that anyone who uses it will not think critically. -someone demonstrates a non-paranormal explanation =bot -someone brings a video of an airplane that they think is a ufo =disinformation bot -someone brings a more convincing video that is later disproven =better disinformation bot It is set up so there is literally no way you can interact with real people who don't believe aliens both exist and are here. It insulates the community against skepticism and is a huge part of why it isn't taken seriously. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]Gina_the_Alien 0 points1 point2 points 16 hours ago (0 children) Probably the best thing the govt could do to throw a sub like this into disarray is to convince a majority of the users that people who post opinions or facts that run against their narrative & beliefs (whatever they may be) are bots. It ends up like that meme where the spider-men are all pointing at each other. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]Due_Kaleidoscope7066 1 point2 points3 points 21 hours ago (0 children) Isn't that just the other side of the coin? If social media can be manipulated to have people coming in and claiming skepticism about real posts, they could also come in and post something benign and have a conversation revolve around how any skeptics are not part of the community. Thus people who consider themselves skeptics feel they should not engage either and are pushed away. The purpose would be to push everyone away, not just one subset. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]HugeAppeal2664 -1 points0 points1 point 18 hours ago (0 children) There’s nothing wrong with showing scepticism but there are clearly accounts that just go about shooting everything down no matter what and it’s not even “constructive scepticism” They will outright just say everything is fake, I’ve had multiple people outright lie saying that the Nimitz incident “was debunked as a plane” so they were pushing disinformation off as a fact and there were getting loads of people upvoting them. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]Rasalom 0 points1 point2 points 8 hours ago* (0 children) Videos like this are made to prime believers and convince others about an Other that is contradicting them finding a radical source of salvation. The strongest UFO/Alien/NHI believers are seeking help from outside sources. Convincing those people they are persecuted is a very old religious technique that has been co-opted by grifters. It helps the grifter sell a book to victims, these people who are having their paranoia for something better teased constantly by all these threads. What's most ironic is the "bots" are much more likely to be grifters using techniques to antagonize and gaslight people so they'll run back to the grifter for support and reinforcement of their beliefs. "There there, I know you know the Truth and you know only I can give you another hit of the Truth. Did a bot find your personal email and send you a nasty message? Wow, that Government sure is dastardly. Remember, only the Government could have had your email that you previously only used to sign up for my newsletter!" permalink embed save parent report reply [–]BA_lampman 0 points1 point2 points 1 hour ago (0 children) The ones that call "bot!" May themselves be bots. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]catman1352 10 points11 points12 points 22 hours ago (11 children) The disinformation comes with posts designed to go down a false rabbit hole. I.E. the Vegas, Peru, Plane disappearing. We just need to stick it to the votes and our reps. permalink embed save report reply [+]helloworllldd 1 point2 points3 points 14 hours ago (0 children) The plane to me always seemed like we were steering at the wrong direction. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]quetzalcosiris 2 points3 points4 points 20 hours ago (4 children) To the contrary, the disinformation comes from posts designed to steer people away from certain topics, which....always seem to be the exact same ones. But please, do keep making comments like this. Can you name us a few other "false rabbit holes"? permalink embed save parent report reply [–]Life-Designer-4936 2 points3 points4 points 20 hours ago (2 children) Why can't it possibly be both? Steering people away from certain subjects AND steering them towards others? I feel like this whole "disinformation" thing is used as means of dismissing someone that someone else disagrees with. Especially when the person is expressing some form of skepticism. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]quetzalcosiris -1 points0 points1 point 20 hours ago* (1 child) "Feel" however you want. It has nothing to do with disagreement. Nor opposition to skepticism. Everyone is a skeptic. And everyone who is paying attention can see exactly what is going in comment threads such as this. It is not difficult. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]Life-Designer-4936 0 points1 point2 points 20 hours ago (0 children) And you feel how you want. But the reality is that the term "disinformation agent" has been used to dismiss people who express skepticism towards certain things. As you said, it's not too hard to see. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]catman1352 -2 points-1 points0 points 18 hours ago (0 children) Exhibit A permalink embed save parent report reply [–]pineapplesgreen -1 points0 points1 point 13 hours ago (0 children) Uhhh speak for yourself homeboy, for a lot of very real people the plane disappearing was not a false rabbit hole. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]HonestCletus 0 points1 point2 points 19 hours ago (0 children) Whatever happened to the Vegas family, anyone ever track them down or are they still hiding in their house. I found the family quite convincing but who knows permalink embed save parent report reply [–]Life-Designer-4936 -3 points-2 points-1 points 20 hours ago (0 children) How about the dismissal and even removal of posts calling out "disclosure leaders", especially politicians, for having questionable backgrounds? Posts pointing out that Gaetz has associated with a child sex trafficker, and that Gaetz, Luna, and Burchett were active in attempting to override the results of the 2020 US presidential election have been dismissed as "being too political" and off-topic. Yet these things are absolutely relevant to the credibility and effectiveness of these "disclosure leaders". permalink embed save parent report reply [–]EasyPissedoffFeeling -2 points-1 points0 points 22 hours ago (0 children) Thats right. Most people in here would be able to spot a bad 70s style snowjob, like the two you mentioned a mile away. It s interesting then to see how stupid or gullible they think the populous is. It all looks like National Enquirer sensationalism. Hilarious really. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]TehDDerp -3 points-2 points-1 points 22 hours ago (0 children) EXACTLY WHAT WAS OBVIOUS TO ME Like, go into my post history and see the people I've called out! They design these things to have a ton of little microdetails and if enough of them say something checks all of the specific minutia that a supposed piece of evidence should check enough people will be lazy that that is just taken as a truth! Refuting bullshit takes SO MUCH MORE EFFORT permalink embed save parent report reply [–]EckhartsLadder 1 point2 points3 points 16 hours ago (0 children) Yeah just like it was bots fighting against the wormhole video. /s There's zero evidence, I don't understand why the suspicion has to be first to mind before there's something really worth discrediting. permalink embed save report reply [–]El-JeF-e 1 point2 points3 points 15 hours ago (0 children) The commenters trying to make skeptics seem like disinfo agents you are freaking ridiculous. If anything, the disinfo agents are the ones posting easily provable fake videos because you make the UFO movement look like garbage instead of singling out the truly interesting stuff. permalink embed save report reply [–]swank5000 1 point2 points3 points 5 hours ago (0 children) The Spiderman meme is members of the UFO community accusing each other of being feds lmao permalink embed save report reply [–]scubadoobadoooo 1 point2 points3 points 2 hours ago (0 children) the dude on the right be like: 🗿 permalink embed save report reply [–]JD_the_Aqua_Doggo 4 points5 points6 points 21 hours ago (0 children) The best way to combat this is with love. Always has been. Always will be. Love leads us to truth. Do not let anyone force or coerce you into living your life with fear and mistrust and hatred in your hearts. Always ask who is posting/sharing this, and why. Dig around. But ask yourself the most important questions and remember to love yourself and remember we are all here together, as one species, on one planet, together with all the life that exists around us. They (likely I suspect the Pentagon or DoD but who knows for sure?) want you afraid. Always. Fear, rather than hatred, is the opposite of Love. permalink embed save report reply [–]LakeMichUFODroneGuy 4 points5 points6 points 21 hours ago (2 children) This is where this topic gets so muddy, because now you get a whole bunch of people ignoring differing opinions solely because they think it's a bot or bad actor. But any good bot/troll farm will play both sides. They don't just give out disagreeable opinions, they also agree with you and will egg you on to look into other things to further the manipulation. I've posted this before, but everyone in the sub needs to watch the Mirage Men documentary to understand just how deeply woven UFO lore is with government disinformation. https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7zq2d6 permalink embed save report reply [–]Juan_Carlo -3 points-2 points-1 points 19 hours ago (1 child) Yes. The only proven case where a government agent manipulated the UFO community was by seeding it with a bunch of fake claims about how UFOs are real. If they did that with this sub, people would eat it up and accuse any skeptics of being bots, lol. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]LakeMichUFODroneGuy 1 point2 points3 points 19 hours ago (0 children) Grusch is another Bennewitz, and all of this is Doty 2.0 built for the internet age. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/exair-force-law-enforceme_b_5312650 permalink embed save parent report reply [–]Im_not_a_coomer 3 points4 points5 points 22 hours ago* (0 children) We'll see if this gets downvoted a lot by bots edit: I guess not lmao permalink embed save report reply [–]JAMBI215 3 points4 points5 points 21 hours ago (1 child) I love how Kurt is smart Af but seems baffled sometimes by the most simple concepts permalink embed save report reply [–]DrestinBlack 2 points3 points4 points 20 hours ago (0 children) This is never a good sign. Whenever a community trying hard to prove its beliefs to the world has to resort to warning its followers that’s their is misinformation, fake news, bots, etc to support their conspiracy theories of government coverup — that is the signs that science has been left far behind and it’s becoming more like … well… I’m not gonna say the terms and get my comment deleted. Be wary, indeed. Here is a legit warning. If you are spending way more time explaining the coverup and how deep the conspiracy goes than presenting evidence - you’ve already lost. Please, don’t go down that inescapable rabbit hole. Sincere warning. permalink embed save report reply [–]disinformation-agent 2 points3 points4 points 23 hours ago (1 child) As your local disinformation agent, I can assure you that bots do not exist and all is well. On the other hand, you should not trust a disinformation agent either. permalink embed save report reply [–]Unlikely_Thought2205 1 point2 points3 points 9 hours ago (0 children) I trust you permalink embed save parent report reply [–]APensiveMonkey 1 point2 points3 points 20 hours ago (0 children) And they’re right here in r/UFOs. Wave hi to them! 👋🏼 permalink embed save report reply [–]_BannedAcctSpeedrun_ 1 point2 points3 points 19 hours ago (0 children) I'm just mad that people are getting paid to shitpost and I'm not. permalink embed save report reply [–]NSLearning 1 point2 points3 points 19 hours ago (0 children) I think we need to trust our gut when it comes to the phenomenon. I’m really drawn to the woo, as in The Law of One. It speaks to me and I feel no need defend my beliefs. I would be shocked by my own beliefs now a year ago. We all have to follow our own truth. If you’re spending time tearing other people down you’re part of the problem. permalink embed save report reply [–]suckmy_cork 1 point2 points3 points 19 hours ago (2 children) lol is the interviewer hearing about bots for the first time? clearly never been on any online forum, twitter, comment section, reddit etc. Bots everywhere mate and they are on every side. Russian, USA, EU, China, literally everyone. And its just going to get more pervasive and persuasive with the AI revolution. permalink embed save report reply [–]Unlikely_Thought2205 -1 points0 points1 point 9 hours ago (1 child) How are there EU bots? That's not even a country. Russia and China obviously, but they don't hide it. It's not okay at all to claim the EU uses bots like Russia does: to strengthen fascist parties and politicians in other countries. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]suckmy_cork 1 point2 points3 points 8 hours ago (0 children) i mean from EU countries permalink embed save parent report reply [–]largefluffs 1 point2 points3 points 19 hours ago (0 children) I wouldn't believe anything Dolan says. He's a big admirer of Putin and has never said a bad word about him. I've heard him say he thinks RT is a completely unbiased and accurate news source. lol. permalink embed save report reply [–]neilgraham 2 points3 points4 points 21 hours ago (0 children) We know lmao permalink embed save report reply [–]bejammin075 1 point2 points3 points 23 hours ago (1 child) FYI, without a submission statement or some text your post will be soon deleted by mods. permalink embed save report reply [+]SoundHole comment score below threshold-6 points-5 points-4 points 19 hours ago (0 children) I hope so. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]noobpwner314 0 points1 point2 points 19 hours ago (0 children) The Russian election meddling is a perfect example of how true this is. I assure you that were trolling many groups not just the UFO community. This is another day in the office for them. I would go so far as to say that they would not only be debunking or doing troll behavior, but also posting a lot of shitpost type stuff that tends to frustrate the community. Like those painfully obviously not a UAP videos that pop up over and over on here. They will do anything to discourage the die hards and disinterest the casuals. permalink embed save report reply [–]SuperbWater330 -2 points-1 points0 points 22 hours ago (1 child) MAGA loves the bots. They believe every word. permalink embed save report reply [–]NotOneStar 2 points3 points4 points 19 hours ago (0 children) sounds like something a bot would say permalink embed save parent report reply [–]desertash 0 points1 point2 points 22 hours ago (1 child) based off Dolan's hair...which is majestic (12..ha!) here...this bit is 1-2 years old permalink embed save report reply [–]Waterdrag0n 4 points5 points6 points 22 hours ago (0 children) Yup I use the hair style phase to work out if it’s a new video upload or not from Dolan! Hilarious but true! permalink embed save parent report reply [–]turbografix15 0 points1 point2 points 19 hours ago (0 children) That’s why we have these bogus, disingenuous posting to take away from the credibility of the real stuff. Take this lame supposed alien capture that some guy claimed he got from the woods after the being killed his dog. That’s a known hoax since almost 20 years, yet it suddenly pops up on all the ufo subs with people trying to make you think that it’s real etc etc. Same thing with the recent Vegas alien backyard invasion thing. They cloud the waters with their BS and the stuff that matters gets ignored and buried. Tale as old as time. permalink embed save report reply [–]agu-agu 0 points1 point2 points 16 hours ago (2 children) Stereotypical conspiracy theory thinking - everyone who disagrees with the narrative is a shill, an actor, a paid disinformation agent. That's a convenient way of discarding all skepticism and contrary thinking. It's a bullshit way of instantly discrediting anyone who has doubt. It's a claim that can be made with nothing to back it up whatsoever, and which can be accepted at face value. Oh, you don't like someone's argument? No worries, they're just paid actors sent here to make us look bad! Oh, we latched onto some fake bullshit like the CGI plane disappearance video and it was demonstrated to be fake? No worries, it's just misinformation planted here to divide people! This is the same logic QAnon uses to constantly shift their own goalposts when their stupid ass predictions fall flat on their faces. I have been accused of being on a payroll before and it cracks me up because obviously I know my own background. Let me give you a hint - not everyone who disagrees with you is sent here by some spooky government agency. Some of us are just curious individuals with real skepticism who are intrigued by the topic but utterly unconvinced. Reddit is not that important to believe that it's "ground zero" for shills or whatever. It's pretty arrogant to think this goofy ass subreddit has that much reach when the simple fact is that most people consider UFOs a very fringe topic and need no cajoling by the government to stay that way. The community constantly discredits itself by gawking at every random video of a blob or a balloon or a satellite and every shitty huckster that comes along. I want to know about the existence of life elsewhere in the cosmos. But my standard for proof is high and very few stories on this community are even mildly convincing. permalink embed save report reply [–]kael13 1 point2 points3 points 6 hours ago (0 children) I'm sorry, it's people who go on the offensive like you who really ring alarm bells. I also don't think you'd know a real video if you saw it. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]strangelifeouthere 0 points1 point2 points 16 hours ago (0 children) You’re really yelling at a wall here - I don’t think anybody uses this to discredit all skepticism. That’s silly and does not happen. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]MannyArea503 -3 points-2 points-1 points 22 hours ago (2 children) And so anyone who disagrees with the forced narrative is a troll/bot. How convenient. /s permalink embed save report reply [–]GalacticCowHeist 1 point2 points3 points 21 hours ago (0 children) "so anyone" No. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]_meestir_ 0 points1 point2 points 20 hours ago (0 children) How can you be this ignorant? I mean really? Bots have been around since the infancy of social interactions via the internet. permalink embed save report reply [–]Akesgeroth 0 points1 point2 points 17 hours ago (0 children) Danger Dolan permalink embed save report reply [–]RLMinMaxer 0 points1 point2 points 15 hours ago (0 children) Personally I think anyone who takes the Mexican conman seriously must be a plant. He's done this exact con several times, only a government troll could possibly want to get more people to pay attention to him. permalink embed save report reply [–]vinnymcapplesauce 0 points1 point2 points 13 hours ago (0 children) Aaaaaand, who the fuck is Richard Dolan? I swear, these supposed ufo experts are crawling out of the woodwork now. I've been watching this topic for decades. Never heard of this guy at all. permalink embed save report reply [–]Ron825 0 points1 point2 points 11 hours ago (0 children) I never really noticed the paid trolls until [the flight that shall not be named] They showed up in the hundreds and left when it was effectively "banned" (sort of) permalink embed save report reply [–]mountain_man30 -1 points0 points1 point 21 hours ago (0 children) The reason we don't have disclosure is because a small group of people realize the power behind the tech, once actualized, would destroy the economic system of today. They would rather wait until the absolute last minute to save their own ass because their nearsightedness is blinding. permalink embed save report reply [–]smellybarbiefeet -3 points-2 points-1 points 21 hours ago* (4 children) It’s pretty obvious when the manipulation is in full swing. The vegas shit and Malaysia airlines(seems to be cropping back up again), that shitty 4chan larp. I mean come on, people need to wake the eff up. There’s plenty going on at the moment, without having to fall for obvious hoaxes. Quite frankly I don’t know why the mods continue to let them be posted. Edit: lol already getting targeted by the troll farm permalink embed save report reply [–]quetzalcosiris -4 points-3 points-2 points 20 hours ago* (2 children) Oh look, another account trying to censor discussion of the exact same topics. Weird how they all keep mentioning Vegas, MH370, Peru attacks, Nazca mummies, the 4chan "larp", and the EBO scientist "larp". Just so weird. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]FancySloth 3 points4 points5 points 19 hours ago (0 children) Probably because they're all the latest things that have whipped these subreddits into a frenzy. There's no wider conspiracy just because people are talking about them. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]smellybarbiefeet 0 points1 point2 points 20 hours ago (0 children) Shocking 50 day old account troll harder permalink embed save parent report reply [–]UffyMob4ever -1 points0 points1 point 16 hours ago (0 children) bro tried to slide mh370 disappearance into that list of hoaxes lmao stop the cap 🧢 permalink embed save parent report reply [–]I_Don-t_Care -1 points0 points1 point 20 hours ago (0 children) if a simple bot can discredit your theories then i'm not sure if it's the bot's fault. permalink embed save report reply [–]Ok-Cut4890 -1 points0 points1 point 21 hours ago (0 children) This guy doesn’t even know how to say Louis Armstrong lol permalink embed save report reply [–]Hannibalvega44 -1 points0 points1 point 19 hours ago (0 children) This very reddit is totally infested with the troll farms, the "debnkers" and the laughers... permalink embed save report reply [–]Revolutionary-Mud715 -1 points0 points1 point 18 hours ago (1 child) job was done, i visit way less after mh370 bullshit, maybe that was the point. permalink embed save report reply [–]PoppaJoe77 2 points3 points4 points 16 hours ago (0 children) The absolute cacophony of "Fake! Respect the families! Stop posting!", and "It's real! They're here! This is it!" was, in my opinion meant to drown out and marginalize those who wanted to try and skeptically, rationally piece together what they were seeing with other people. permalink embed save parent report reply [+]Apprehensive_Camp202 -1 points0 points1 point 18 hours ago (0 children) Coulthart is a plant. permalink embed save report reply [–]SoundHole -1 points0 points1 point 17 hours ago (0 children) The top three posts in this subreddit right now are bullshit grifters baiting rubes with third rate Qanon type horseshit and people here are lapping it up like chocolate pudding. How embarrassing. permalink embed save report reply [–]SirTheadore -1 points0 points1 point 17 hours ago (0 children) This is great fuel for a cop out “well you’re obviously one of them” excuses with anyone who criticises anything in this community. permalink embed save report reply [–]GumbyQc -1 points0 points1 point 17 hours ago (0 children) This subs is full of bots permalink embed save report reply [–]pliskinito -1 points0 points1 point 16 hours ago (1 child) So you re all not dumb fucks that believe that those small mommies are real ? permalink embed save report reply [–]strangelifeouthere 1 point2 points3 points 16 hours ago (0 children) Nope, isn’t that crazy? I’m sure you’re less entertained/empowered by viewing the subreddit knowing that the majority doesn’t believe in that whatsoever, but nope. Not everyone believes those mummies are legit. Wild. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]Euphoric-Ad1044 -2 points-1 points0 points 19 hours ago (0 children) All the bots that have gone after any Coulthart related post recently has made me more firm in my belief that he does in fact, know some truth. permalink embed save report reply [+]yourboigator1990 comment score below threshold-6 points-5 points-4 points 21 hours ago (0 children) Dolan's a known ufo griftbot permalink embed save report reply [–]gaduran -2 points-1 points0 points 19 hours ago (0 children) I acknowledge lots of shady posts and comments in the past months. So much that I made a proposal for /r/UFOs to introduce user flairs to acknowledge those who consistently contribute valuable insights through their comments and posts. My whole point is here : Elevating the Quality of r/UFOs: Let's Talk User Flairs to Boost Our Content Game Please share your thoughts. permalink embed save report reply [–]JustPlainRude -4 points-3 points-2 points 20 hours ago (4 children) Why would the government expend resources to "muddy the waters" in communities like this? What are they afraid could happen here? permalink embed save report reply [–]retoy1 1 point2 points3 points 20 hours ago* (1 child) To influence public perception so they can control the narrative. It doesn’t take many resources to hire a guy who manages a bot farm when you deal in billion dollar budgets. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]JustPlainRude -2 points-1 points0 points 17 hours ago (0 children) To influence public perception so they can control the narrative. But why? permalink embed save parent report reply [–]Circle_Dot -1 points0 points1 point 17 hours ago (1 child) They wouldnt. This is conspiracy stacking. Sure bots exist. But they are not government sponsored bot farms. They are script kiddies whos agenda is trolling or karma farming. This is classic deflection of what people cling on to when the tide of online conversation goes against their beliefs. Sure they are annoying but the world is big and there are lots of opinions which the keyboard allows people to express with zero guardrails. The government can get way more control by censoring info and controlling people in power than posting in random internet forums that may be seen by a few hundred people at a time. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]PoppaJoe77 0 points1 point2 points 16 hours ago (0 children) Memes are infectious. Humans are suggestible. Humans are very suggestible. Changing the minds of many starts by shifting the opinions of a few. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]retardjoeyb -1 points0 points1 point 19 hours ago (0 children) Bots as in A.I. !!! permalink embed save report reply [–]Secret_Crew9075 -1 points0 points1 point 19 hours ago (0 children) airplane anyone? :) permalink embed save report reply [–]Busy-Tumbleweed9409 -1 points0 points1 point 19 hours ago (0 children) Ahh sjarnt provoka tours = agent provocateurs permalink embed save report reply [–]BinkySmales -1 points0 points1 point 18 hours ago (0 children) Mr Dolan has nailed the problem precisely. We have bots and many Doty types who just dismiss anything. Hate is the one true thing that humans can agree on. permalink embed save report reply [–]mjsgirlll -1 points0 points1 point 13 hours ago (0 children) I’ve been a part of this subreddit for a while now and I’ve noticed that as it got more popularity (especially after Grush claims) the amount of non-believers and people who “debunk” UFOs and share disinformation increased drastically. Someone from the government has been working super hard lately by paying these bots/people. For that reason I started treating comments that immediately discredit or “debunk” every UFO post very skeptically. permalink embed save report reply [–]Smarktalk -2 points-1 points0 points 20 hours ago (0 children) Why is this in all caps? Calm down brother. permalink embed save report reply [–]ImAWizardYo -2 points-1 points0 points 19 hours ago (0 children) Most people genuinely interested in the topic tend to avoid this sub because of this exact reason. These rogue aspects of the intelligence community have become like a cancer on our understanding and species cognitive and spiritual development. It has no executive oversight functioning with the higher gestalt of the collective organism in mind. It breeds ignorance and hate and thus aggression and violence. Despite its original role being formed to defend our country its unregulated and destructive approach tearing at the social fabric is in fact one of the larger threats to our collective social development. permalink embed save report reply [–]limaconnect77 -2 points-1 points0 points 19 hours ago (0 children) Wasn’t there something on this sub last year, for a couple weeks straight, about these types of characters being disinfo agents/provocateurs themselves?! permalink embed save report reply [–]curiousduo007 -2 points-1 points0 points 19 hours ago (0 children) Ppl of influence w money these days all either have or hire bot farms permalink embed save report reply [+]Cute-Cheesecake-8602 -3 points-2 points-1 points 20 hours ago (0 children) Richard Dolan UFO top man. On the wall he have Michael standing on the devil. Coincidence ? I don't think so. permalink embed save report reply [–]solarpropietor -3 points-2 points-1 points 19 hours ago (0 children) My question is this. Wouldn’t this be considered warfare upon its own civilian population? permalink embed save report reply [–]Chiefm56 0 points1 point2 points 20 hours ago (0 children) Retail Apes can them skills, bots same thing. permalink embed save report reply [–]Toothpinch 0 points1 point2 points 20 hours ago (0 children) I mean - duh, right? You are all Potential bots as far as I’m concerned. permalink embed save report reply [–]kindasfw 0 points1 point2 points 19 hours ago (0 children) So easily influenced permalink embed save report reply [–]infomuncher 0 points1 point2 points 18 hours ago (0 children) Dolan must have caught wind of something… permalink embed save report reply [–]realDKDomino 0 points1 point2 points 18 hours ago (0 children) UFO's walk among us permalink embed save report reply [–]Pitiful_Mulberry1738 0 points1 point2 points 17 hours ago (0 children) Could someone transcribe this? At work and cannot watch with sound. permalink embed save report reply [–]RLMinMaxer 0 points1 point2 points 16 hours ago (0 children) The biggest problem is that they can disrupt in both directions: upvote blatant bullshit, and downvote anything approaching the truth. You can't trust anyone here, except me. I'm literally just a guy. permalink embed save report reply [–]josogood 0 points1 point2 points 15 hours ago (0 children) Damn, I keep getting Richard Dolan and Garry Nolan mixed up. I was listening to this dude's voice going, "Why does he sound different?!?" permalink embed save report reply [–]--ddiibb-- 0 points1 point2 points 15 hours ago (0 children) for a watch of the full episode permalink embed save report reply [–]Snarfblaff 0 points1 point2 points 14 hours ago (0 children) Hes right, there are so many of them, and they're obvious. permalink embed save report reply [–]Jakekonadawn 0 points1 point2 points 13 hours ago (0 children) THERE ALL GOVERMENT BUILT AND CONTROLLED! permalink embed save report reply [–]skullllll 0 points1 point2 points 13 hours ago (0 children) AI seems to play a role in this as well. permalink embed save report reply [–]Frosty_Technology842 0 points1 point2 points 11 hours ago (0 children) If a rogue project that has fallen outside the chain of command runs the cover-up and very few people outside know what is going on, how does this rogue project manage to interface with and use NSA/GCHQ to carry out disinfo for them? Does no one at GCHQ go - "Who are you and why are you asking me about using bots to mess with the UFO community"? permalink embed save report reply [–]Exare 0 points1 point2 points 11 hours ago (0 children) This happened to /r/superstonk. permalink embed save report reply [–]Jamie-8182 0 points1 point2 points 11 hours ago (0 children) I think he should have emphasized that they play both sides more than he did, at least in this clip! permalink embed save report reply [–]DizzyCancel36 0 points1 point2 points 10 hours ago (0 children) 1957 I was 6 years old my brother was 8 and his friend standing with him also. We were in Anniston Alabama near an Army base. My brother said while pointing between trees what is that. Now we where at a street corner and I a tag along playing near the road a few feet away. They got into a discussion over it that got my curiosity aroused. Had to see it but as I drew near he said it’s gone. Then he turned and said there it is. I looked and saw a sphere as tall as a 12 story building above me at maybe 1000 ft. A shinny silver ball, seen by hundreds in downtown Anniston. They sent that guy who reported the thruth to the government but gave BS to the common folk. permalink embed save report reply [–]babylawn5 0 points1 point2 points 9 hours ago (0 children) The MH370's orbs video dissaprance form this sub is a prime example of that permalink embed save report reply [–]FinancialBarnacle785 0 points1 point2 points 9 hours ago (0 children) I have no evidence of anything. I admit that if you asked, I would tell you a fantastic, and mostly unfortunately very believable tale of Sasquatch/human interaction, and natural friendship. You know, the sort of 'kumbaya' happy, peaceful life all us happy, peaceful "kumbaya' type Americans value and love to believe in and aspire to....so, a guy, normal in most observable points, who finds himself teaching martial arts in an isolate, mountainous town, and a strange kid wanders in to his dojo....the kid can't talk, but obviously loves to scuffle and learn wrestling and judo, and ....just keeps growing. Various situations developed and everybody became highly adapted and accepted socially...even the guy who moved in to 'town' and himself became more socially aware...yeah, he writes amusing imaginative 'true' tales. With no evidence nor proof. permalink embed save report reply [–]exonetjono 0 points1 point2 points 8 hours ago (0 children) I find it so funny that people can instantly believe that CCP sends out spies and etc into our internet to sow chaos but won't believe the same cam be done from our own government. permalink embed save report reply [–]Weaponized-Banana 0 points1 point2 points 8 hours ago (0 children) Most of Greers haters are bots I’d imagine permalink embed save report reply [–]trident_hole 0 points1 point2 points 8 hours ago (0 children) Ahhh, anybody who has lurked 4chan can tell you Glowies exist and they're there to make sure truth gets smeared worse than a hyperactive two year old with diarrhea permalink embed save report reply [–]bertiesghost 0 points1 point2 points 7 hours ago (0 children) Still surprises me the number of people who are not aware of this. permalink embed save report reply [–]Sir_Not-Appear1ng 0 points1 point2 points 6 hours ago (0 children) What is important to keep in mind while trying to ascertain whether an account is more or less likely a bot/shill, is tone. Healthy skepticism should be encouraged, same as those who respectfully argue for their point on their belief of provided evidence. You will see bots on both sides trying to tear the other side down, and honestly I just don’t have patience for it anymore. If I see someone being obnoxious in either direction I feel the need to downvote. This is a sure fire way to suppress the reach of about 90% of bots/shills out there, and I encourage everyone to do the same. permalink embed save report reply [–]TheWebCoder 0 points1 point2 points 6 hours ago (1 child) One of the rumors is that the cover up costs more than the research, the budget for which is staggering. That would include an army of paid Agent Provocateur to attack online communities all over the world. permalink embed save report reply [–]DoNotLookUp1 0 points1 point2 points 33 minutes ago (0 children) cover up costs more than the research That would be insanely awful on top of the whole situation being insanely awful if true. Not only was it covered up when the tech could be helping us potentially but also they weren't even allocating the most funds to researching it.. oh god lol permalink embed save parent report reply [–]loveheretic 0 points1 point2 points 6 hours ago* (0 children) One of the things I look for is when someone's character is attacked, rather than the argument being directed to facts. You can tell, when key words are repeated, that it is orchestrated. The best evidence of at least some veracity in a message, is low blow attacks on the messenger where key words are repeated. I slow down, breathe, remember my own human flaws, and then try to find and weigh content. permalink embed save report reply [–]GroWiza 0 points1 point2 points 4 hours ago (0 children) When he says bots/bot farms what is he referring to exactly? permalink embed save report reply [–]bleumagma 0 points1 point2 points 4 hours ago (2 children) There’s a 100% chance the government mods this sub. No real information is going to get past disinformation agents with control permalink embed save report reply [–]DoedoeBear 0 points1 point2 points 4 hours ago (1 child) am mod and not in government. based on discord cpnvos and voice calls, pretty sure other mods are just regular folk too. permalink embed save parent report reply [–]bleumagma 1 point2 points3 points 3 hours ago (0 children) Isn’t this video literally saying that people will do exactly that? permalink embed save parent report reply [–]MudOk790 0 points1 point2 points 2 hours ago (0 children) This should be pinned. permalink embed save report reply