Re: USA 2020 Elections: Thread

@ggreenwald 14h Compare the edited video clip to make it seem like Joe Rogan was agreeing with this to what he actually said and you'll see: a) how you should treat everything you see with a large dose of skepticism and b) how casually they play with race and racism to smear anyone they dislike: angak @andual88 Feb 6 Replying to @KnowS0mething This clip is deceptively edited. Here is the full context: 260 2,543 136 12,105 Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald 14h Look how viral the deceitfully edited clip has gone: KnowSomething @KnowS0mething Feb 5 i'm seeing lots of clips going around of joe rogan saying the n-word, but what the fuck is this???? Show this thread 53 186 2 1,229 Glenn Greenwald retweeted Andrew Wimsatt 🖐 @ajwimsatt 14h Here is @ggreenwald talking with Howard Kurtz about media resentment towards Joe Rogan and his podcast. 51 263 27 1,116 42,850 Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald 15h I'll be on Fox in a couple minutes with @HowardKurtz talking about the virtually unanimous effort by employees of media corporations to pressure Spotify to remove Joe Rogan, and what this says about broader values of free discourse in the US. 217 432 26 3,799 Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald 15h For months people have been warning that the 1/6 Committee has exceeded -- by far -- every previous boundary for what congressional investigative committees can do. Today the NYT finally notices: they're acting far more like DOJ prosecutors than Congress: nytimes.com/2022/02/05/us/po… In Scrutinizing Trump and His Allies, Jan. 6 Panel Adopts Prosecution Tactics The House committee investigating the assault on the Capitol and what led to it is employing techniques more common in criminal cases than in congressional inquiries. nytimes.com 99 1,032 45 2,956 Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald 15h Many people have decided that 1/6 is so bad that we can't worry ourselves with legal niceties and civil liberties -- like some did after the far-worse 9/11. But McCarthy-era Supreme Court cases warned how dangerous it is to allow Congress to do this: greenwald.substack.com/p/con… Congress's 1/6 Committee Claims Absolute Power as it Investigates Citizens With No Judicial Limits The Committee plotted with JPMorgan and its lawyer, former Obama AG Loretta Lynch, to obtain a citizen's financial records with no possibility of judicial review. greenwald.substack.com 43 315 12 1,278 Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald 15h After 9/11, those of us raising civil liberties concerns about the War on Terror were accused of siding with Al Qaeda. Same tactic now employed by neocon-led Dems for 1/6: raising abuse of power concerns means you're siding with "Insurrectionists." The Constitution still matters. 37 282 3 1,311 Glenn Greenwald retweeted Edward Snowden @Snowden Jan 28 Nobody has stronger opinions about Joe Rogan than people who have never listened to Joe Rogan. 4,887 34,276 2,964 233,194 Show this thread Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald 18h He got $100 million because he built a gigantic audience of ideologically diverse young people -- exactly the audience Spotify and most other companies want most -- and nobody comes close to his ability to inspire trust among that group. He doesn't map onto partisans' brains: Judd Legum @JuddLegum Feb 5 Replying to @JuddLegum I am not advocating for Spotify to drop Rogan. I am not convinced it would do anything to help slow the spread of vaccine misinformation. It might accelerate it. But how did this guy ever get paid $100 million? Spotify should think about that. Show this thread 178 693 37 6,170 Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald 18h It's crucial that we judge people's use of the N-world not as absolute proof that they're racist, but through the context in which it was used -- if they're liberals in good standing: Wokal Distance @wokal_distance Feb 6 1/ So, @donwinslow tried to get @joerogan cancelled for saying the N-word. It turns out that in his books Don winslow has used the n-word a lot... and I mean a **LOT** So here is a **VERY** long thread of times Don Winslow has used the N-word in his books. Show this thread 38 137 7 1,090 Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald 18h This is about 1,000 times more virulent than anything Rogan has dreamed of doing but Howard Stern is now a liberal in good standing -- adores Hillary and Maddow, hates Trump, spouts every DNC piety -- so it's fine. Hillary went on his show, oozed praise: PG Howie @pghowie3 Feb 6 If people think Joe Rogan is racist, can't imagine what they think about Howard Stern Show this thread 131 1,000 57 3,531 Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald 17h This is why Howard Stern clips like the one from above -- and so many other worse ones from him over many, many years -- don't matter and why nobody is trying to get him off the air. He has the right politics, fitting in perfectly with the NBC/CNN/NYT axis and all their pieties: 203 465 42 2,304 69,124 Glenn Greenwald retweeted Steve Krakauer @SteveKrak 17h What a morally bankrupt column… co-opting the death of a “beloved” colleague to spread pro-censorship misinformation - because if he HAD listened to Joe Rogan, he’s have been urged to get vaccinated, as Rogan has said many times for someone who is "overweight and asthmatic." 💫 Margaret Sullivan @Sulliview 19h My former colleague, the beloved ⁦@miggyrod33⁩, died Monday at 47. I don’t know if he ever listened to Joe Rogan’s podcast; I do know that, with 900,000 Americans dead of Covid, the misinformation spread there is inexcusable. My column. No paywall. wapo.st/3oskraQ 58 369 10 1,917 Show this thread Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald 18h The person in the above photo who is, by far, at greatest risk from bad COVID outcomes is the only one not wearing a mask indoors, while those who have a very low risk all have their faces covered all day. This has nothing to do with who is and isn't important. It's Science. 88 653 19 4,992 Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald 17h More than double this number have died of COVID under Biden. So what is the logical conclusion of this tweet? Joe Biden @JoeBiden 23 Oct 2020 220,000 deaths. If you hear nothing else I say tonight, hear this: Anyone who is responsible for that many deaths should not remain President of the United States. 102 464 15 2,251 Show this thread Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald 17h This is the one question that employees of liberal corporate media outlets will never ask, because it requires looking in the mirror and that is what they fear doing the most. In their defense, that's a rational fear. Whitney Cummings @WhitneyCummings Feb 6 Don’t look to why so many people trust joe Rogan, look to why so few people trust the mainstream media 71 333 12 2,747 Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald 17h The real disinformation agents have been recognized as such by the American public. They're the ones few people trust, many people despise, and whose audience is disappearing and who therefore demand censorship of those who people trust by accusing *them* of disinformation. 35 158 11 806 20,333 Glenn Greenwald retweeted Secular Talk🎙 @KyleKulinski Feb 3 I cannot be on Spotify bc of their dangerous misinformation, I declare in a NYT article, the outlet that gave us this The New York Times @nytimes Feb 3 In Opinion Joe Rogan can continue to air misinformation. Spotify can continue to look the other way, Roxane Gay writes in a guest essay. "Today at least, I won't," she says of her decision to remove her podcast and its archives from Spotify. nyti.ms/3ASETXA 45 394 12 2,275 Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald 18h 🤣 Judd Legum @JuddLegum 11 May 2018 Fox News goes all-in on character assassination of Michael Avenatti goo.gl/15CjMQ 120 380 16 3,658 Glenn Greenwald retweeted David Frum @davidfrum Feb 6 Congratulations to Tucker Carlson on his appointment as CEO of @benandjerrys Ben & Jerry's @benandjerrys Feb 4 You cannot simultaneously prevent and prepare for war. We call on President Biden to de-escalate tensions and work for peace rather than prepare for war. Sending thousands more US troops to Europe in response to Russia’s threats against Ukraine only fans the flame of war. 271 117 43 1,246 Load more @ggreenwald 18h Number of U.S. COVID deaths under Trump (with no vaccine, few treatments, and a more deadly variant): 396,837 Number of U.S. COVID deaths under Biden (with universally available vaccine, better treatments, and a less deadly variant): 528,379 covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tra… COVID Data Tracker CDC’s home for COVID-19 data. Visualizations, graphs, and data in one easy-to-use website. covid.cdc.gov 483 3,532 326 9,221 Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald 18h (Note: this covers 10 months for Trump and a year for Biden, though the Biden-era death count was also higher after 10 months). Of course none of this Biden's fault, while all 2020 COVID deaths were blamed on the Trump. Key: "shutting down" the virus was his core campaign vow. 68 462 12 2,324 Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald 18h Meanwhile: since @staceyabrams is a very sophisticated and important liberal, I'm sure there's something in The Science™ that justifies her being maskless indoors, surrounded by young kids forced to wear masks all day. Maybe she's holding her breath? Kelley K 😀 * covid-georgia.com @KelleyKga Feb 5 Yet another picture of an unmasked Democrat surrounded by masked children. This is at a Decatur, Georgia elementary school, where they have a district-wide mask mandate. #gapol #UnmaskOurKids Show this thread 180 1,007 47 4,476 Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald Feb 6 That Rogan represents a threat to corporate media - because he questions, disputes and dissents from their herd propaganda - is only one reason they're united against him. Another is petty professional jealousy: millions watch and trust him while almost nobody watches/trusts CNN. Oliver Darcy @oliverdarcy Feb 5 This notion that news orgs are only reporting on what Rogan says because he represents a supposed "threat" to corporate media is a narrative pushed by people who simply do not understand how newsrooms work or pretend not to. 235 1,497 56 8,507 Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald Feb 6 Rogan is "corporate media" only in the most technical and least meaningful sense of the term. Yes, he's paid by a large corporation so they can carry his content. But he's not answerable to corporate bosses about who he can interview and what he can say: Max Tani @maxwelltani Feb 5 Joe Rogan is one of the biggest talk show hosts at a tech/media company worth billions of dollars. He literally is the corporate media. 119 191 22 1,872 Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald Feb 5 I would love to know what percentage of people who are now claiming Joe Rogan is a racist, an agent of disinformation and someone who should be de-platformed have ever regularly listened to his shows as opposed to watching clips selected for them by Media Matters and CNN. 1,016 2,927 186 21,763 Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald Feb 5 People constantly claim they don't trust large corporate media outlets, but so often their views on so many controversies are formed based on what those large corporate outlets tell them to think. All these people with very emphatic views of Rogan who don't watch his show. 100 434 10 4,020 Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald Feb 5 I'm also wondering whether Bernie supporters now agree with the criticism that Bernie should never have accepted and touted Joe Rogan's endorsement of him? Bernie Sanders @BernieSanders 23 Jan 2020 “I think I'll probably vote for Bernie... He’s been insanely consistent his entire life. He’s basically been saying the same thing, been for the same thing his whole life. And that in and of itself is a very powerful structure to operate from.” -Joe Rogan 119 266 11 1,990 Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald Feb 5 Everything in @MeghanMcCain's tweet is still completely true. Millions of people still watch and trust Joe Rogan, while Jim @Acosta can't even attract an audience equal to a mid-sized YouTuber despite being on CNN prime-time with a giant corporation backing and promoting him. 738 1,791 98 11,902 Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald Feb 5 It was only a question of time before the all-out war on Rogan began. He's way too big and off-key to permit him to keep going. The concept of free speech in the US is a mirage: you have it right up to the line where it matters or can threaten power centers, then you don't. Tim Dillon @TimJDillon Feb 5 It’s a political hatchet job. It’s obvious to anyone with eyes. The debate about the vaccine has been over. UK just opened no restrictions. They don’t want him on the air for the next election cycle. Press Sec asked Spotify to “do more.” It’s not a conspiracy it’s out in the open 568 5,880 284 25,952 Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald Feb 5 Every major institution is united to destroy Rogan, including the WH. The Press Secretary -- speaking on behalf of the US Govt -- demanded Spotify do more to stop him, and this is treated as normal and benign. Ask Julian Assange if *effective* dissent is permitted. 100 1,242 48 6,200 Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald Feb 5 The power derived from controlling the flow of information is immense. That's why every tyrant and authoritarian wields censorship power. Tyranny can't exist without it. And as Orwell and Chomsky have both said, the most effective form isn't jailing dissidents but doing this. 55 677 22 3,787 Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald Feb 5 Read what Orwell said about why censorship in the UK during the war was so much more effective than the overtly autocratic regimes that just imprisoned dissidents. The British don't have to: they have their compliant media unite to punish and destroy the reputation of dissidents: 38 698 21 3,088 Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald Feb 5 We're at the point where we also arrive in these cycles. If you object to the attempt to silence Rogan, then you will be instantly tarred with the same brush used to try to destroy him: You're a racist, anti-vax, etc. etc. That's the enforcement mechanism to keep everyone quiet. 42 418 8 2,842 Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald Feb 5 This racism charge, from splicing together a bunch of context-free snippets over the years, reeks of desperation but it, too, was inevitable. Racism accusations are the central toy to every silencing game in the US. You can make anyone look racist with it Drunk News Anchor @DrunkNewsHQ Feb 5 Joe Rogan N Word compilation. Absolutely despicable. There's no excuses for it. No context makes it better. Show this thread 75 482 20 2,785 Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald Feb 5 By far the most important part of what's happened in this Rogan melodrama is that WH weighed in, demanding Spotify "do more." It's part of a long line of Dem politicians using their domination of DC to coerce censorship: a clear violation of the 1st Am. rumble.com/vtyr34-democrats-… Democrats Are Pressuring Companies to Censor For Them: a Violation of the First Amendment Defenders of growing online censorship typically use euphemisms to argue that private companies have the right to make whatever "content moderation" decisions they want. Even if true, that's not what rumble.com 74 808 32 3,727 Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald Feb 5 If you actually think that finding old clips of someone using the n-word is proof they're a racist, then you would find this 👇 infinitely more alarming and important given that he is kind of more powerful than Joe Rogan. But you don't think that: it's just a game to silence him. 328 3,042 398 8,969 241,257 Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald Feb 5 Everyone knows that if Spotify removes Rogan, he will move to a new platform with his millions of listeners. The points of this: 1) Deny him the credibility of a major corporate platform. 2) Vilify and ostracize him to prevent further growth. 3) Create an example for others. 158 669 30 4,487 Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald Feb 5 Good time to post one of Barack Obama's best moments, where he denounces what he calls "woke" activism as the superficial and self-serving delusion that it is, explains that it's just about the self-esteem of the denouncers, and mocks the idea that silencing people is activism. 196 1,121 116 4,725 165,309 Glenn Greenwald retweeted Q. Anthony Omene @qaomene Feb 5 Name a single liberal pundit with a comparable audience who is even remotely anti-interventionist. Carlson picks up these viewers because he’s smart enough to know there’s a massive audience to be had outside of the Beltway orthodoxy, which MSNBC and CNN enforce rigidly David Sirota @davidsirota Feb 5 One possible takeaway here is that liberal pundits’ loyal cheerleading for Democratic Party politicians has become so off-putting and uninteresting that younger Democrats are now shifting to watch a horrible right-wing fascist. thewrap.com/tucker-carlson-l… Show this thread 40 109 4 841 Show this thread Load more @ggreenwald Feb 5 In the past year, Tucker Carlson: 1) repeatedly urged a pardon of Julian Assange, 2) condemned bipartisan scheme for the US to interfere in Cuba and is now 3) emphatically opposing US involvement in a war in Ukraine. Call him whatever names you want. Nobody on NBC/CNN does that. David Sirota @davidsirota Feb 5 One possible takeaway here is that liberal pundits’ loyal cheerleading for Democratic Party politicians has become so off-putting and uninteresting that younger Democrats are now shifting to watch a horrible right-wing fascist. thewrap.com/tucker-carlson-l… Show this thread 212 921 37 5,220 Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald Feb 5 The left bona fides of @aaronjmate are clear: worked for years at @DemocracyNow, pro-Bernie, etc. Watch the hearing he got last night on Tucker, warning of DC's bipartisan fixation on conflict with Russia: unthinkable on a liberal corporate news outlet: Aaron Maté @aaronjmate Feb 5 1/2 Spoke tonight about the Russiagate playbook, illustrated by the treatment of AP's Matt Lee, of US officials lodging allegations against Russia and then painting any skepticism as Kremlin subservience. Its roots lie in partisan hackery & bipartisan neocon hegemony: Show this thread 27 187 11 1,043 Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald Feb 5 If you don't see the fact that neocons are all migrating back to the Democratic Party because the GOP is home to ample anti-imperialist and anti-militarist sentiment -- while Dems are united in support of it -- it's only because you don't want to see it: Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald Feb 5 This is a great and important NYT op-ed on the raging foreign policy debate within the GOP and American right -- far more vibrant than the lock-step Dems -- and how how the GOP establishment is trying to keep the party pro-war, imperialist and militarist: nytimes.com/2022/02/05/opini… Show this thread 43 186 18 1,066 Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald Feb 5 That's why I didn't get an answer to this and never will. There is no answer. Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald Feb 5 Replying to @ggreenwald Even if you're on the left and you've deluded yourself into believing there's some vibrant anti-imperialism wing among Democrats - which Dems are denouncing US involvement in Ukraine the way Tucker Carlson or @RepThomasMassie are? - this split on the Right is a vital opportunity. Show this thread 20 85 2 721 Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald Feb 5 Just as she was one of the few Dems to oppose a new War on Terror for 1/6, and just as she was one of only 3 Dems to join the GOP in voting NO on $2b more for the Capitol Police, @IlhanMN did this week say similar things on Ukraine as Tucker & Rep. Massie Rep. Ilhan Omar @Ilhan Feb 2 Rep. Omar’s statement on the proposed Ukraine defense package: Show this thread 32 60 1 515 Glenn Greenwald retweeted David Miranda @davidmirandario Feb 5 Ontem estivemos no @abrigo_hope visitando os animais e pessoas acolhidas lá. Foi uma tarde de muita alegria vendo todos felizes, saudáveis, e conhecendo o novo casal (na terceira foto) que acaba de chegar para ajudar com a bicharada. 4 21 191 Show this thread Glenn Greenwald retweeted Tim Dillon @TimJDillon Feb 4 Henry Kissinger is removing his podcast from Spotify. 2,644 2,012 583 28,015 Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald Feb 5 This is a great and important NYT op-ed on the raging foreign policy debate within the GOP and American right -- far more vibrant than the lock-step Dems -- and how how the GOP establishment is trying to keep the party pro-war, imperialist and militarist: nytimes.com/2022/02/05/opini… Opinion | Hawks Are Standing in the Way of a New Republican Party Conservatives must make a clear break with neo-neoconservative foreign policy. nytimes.com 71 296 32 1,224 Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald Feb 5 These first 3 paragraphs capture the crucial fight taking place on the American right: between classic US war fanatics (necons) and those trying to pry control from them for the GOP. The left needs to deny this is happening because nothing similar is happening among Democrats: 19 112 6 575 Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald Feb 5 Even if you're on the left and you've deluded yourself into believing there's some vibrant anti-imperialism wing among Democrats - which Dems are denouncing US involvement in Ukraine the way Tucker Carlson or @RepThomasMassie are? - this split on the Right is a vital opportunity. 39 95 13 661 Glenn Greenwald retweeted Saagar Enjeti @esaagar Feb 5 The effort to smear Joe Rogan as a racist is one of the most despicable efforts I’ve ever seen in my lifetime. They don’t actually care, they’re just trying to destroy him. We either live in a society where context matters or we don’t. By their standard Joe Biden is a racist 2,253 4,317 815 19,942 Show this thread Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald Feb 5 This @rustyrockets video mocking @brianstelter for his view that CNN doesn't spread disinformation while Rogan does is superb. Highly recommended. By far the most damaging disinformation comes from the corporate outlets pretending to combat it: inv.skrep.eu/watch?v=DtUJpWYt… Now It Makes Sense CNN’s Brian Stelter said this week that because of Joe Rogan “winging it” people have stopped trusting “real newsrooms”. Could another explanation come from ... youtube.com 121 1,490 78 5,752 Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald Feb 5 Note that Brand's video has already been watched by 1.1. million people -- far bigger than Stelter's audience and double CNN's prime-time shows. Do you see why they're so desperate: smearing everyone independent as "far-right" conspiracy theorists and begging for mass censorship? 39 308 5 2,033 Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald Feb 5 For those who haven't seen it: The Media Outlets Demanding Joe Rogan's Removal from Spotify Spread Far More Disinformation rumble.com/vtunof-the-media-… The Media Outlets Demanding Joe Rogan's Removal from Spotify Spread Far More Disinformation To justify their efforts to pressure Spotify to remove Joe Rogan, employees of media corporations claim to be deeply concerned by the "disinformation" he is spreading. Yet nobody spreads disinformatio rumble.com 90 218 22 1,053 Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald Feb 5 I keep hearing the claim that nobody in DC wants war with Russia over Ukraine and yet every time you turn around, you see another neocon (found at NBC/CNN/WP) and/or Obama officials making arguments with no logical point other than wanting war -- direct or indirect - with Russia: 103 333 10 1,574 Glenn Greenwald retweeted Aaron Maté @aaronjmate Feb 5 1/2 Spoke tonight about the Russiagate playbook, illustrated by the treatment of AP's Matt Lee, of US officials lodging allegations against Russia and then painting any skepticism as Kremlin subservience. Its roots lie in partisan hackery & bipartisan neocon hegemony: 174 975 94 3,716 108,057 Show this thread Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald Feb 5 Seems like we're on a path where we're going to have two of everything, depending on one's political ideology: segregated websites, financial systems, even charitable giving, the result of systematically banning non-liberals. Seems like that leads to a bad and dark place. CBC News Alerts @CBCAlerts Feb 4 GoFundMe says no further funds will be distributed directly to the organizers of the Freedom Convoy protests. The crowdfunding firm says: 'We now have evidence from law enforcement that the previously peaceful demonstration has become an occupation.' Full statement: Show this thread 889 3,786 285 15,967 Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald Feb 5 Recall: @TheRickWilson bilked gullible liberals out of $65k using @GoFundMe for a film that never came. He kept promising to get more money, yet: nothing. Despite this being reported and denounced, @GoFundMe did nothing because "the film was anti-Trump: foxnews.com/politics/lincoln… Lincoln Project's Rick Wilson raised $64G for anti-Trump film that was never released Rick Wilson, co-founder of the anti-Trump Lincoln Project PAC, raised nearly $65,000 for an in-production film called "Everything Trump Touches Dies" that has yet to be released. foxnews.com 157 1,600 73 4,813 Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald Feb 5 A few more pictures -- taken by an actual professional -- of the day we spent at our @abrigo_hope shelter in Maricá. The first photo is of the latest previously homeless people, a couple, who ended up losing their apartment because of the pandemic and now live and work there. 12 25 3 291 Show this thread Glenn Greenwald retweeted Stephen L. Miller @redsteeze Feb 4 Curious, has Michael Avenatti ever been on Joe Rogan? Jerry Dunleavy @JerryDunleavy Feb 4 Michael Avenatti 151 1,046 60 5,500 Load more