On 12/11/2016 09:58 PM, Mirimir wrote:
On 12/11/2016 07:28 PM, Shawn K. Quinn wrote:
On 12/11/2016 08:18 PM, Mirimir wrote:
So, as with any troll, it's best to ignore him. Rather than call for moderation, why not just filter his messages? I would never have seen this, except that Ceci redacted his name. So why should I care what Z_n or other trolls write to this list? I can't control their speech, and I believe that attempting it would be immoral.
Because the list as a whole is devalued by the continued lack of moderation. This is not whitesupremistneonazipunks, this is cypherpunks. I am not challenging his freedom of speech, but this is not the forum for that. It would be perfectly on-topic for a neo-nazi or KKK list. That is not this list!
I get your concern. Naive users, coming across these messages through search sites, might get a bad impression. But please consider that freedom and autonomy are key cypherpunk values. Along with technical competence. So the best outcome is helping people manage unmoderated lists on their own, without reliance on centralized control.
Also, please consider that causing grief is the key goal for trolls. And consider how forcing an ideologically unmoderated list to moderate itself would be _such_ a fucking win for Z_n. No?
I never filtered Zzz manually - but my filters got him somehow. Not missing him. I hope everyone else with good content can update their spam/troll/asshole filters and start with some decent content here again. I hear some heart - Thanks Cecilia - lets keep it up. --- Marina