On 06/26/2016 09:16 PM, juan wrote:
On Sun, 26 Jun 2016 20:57:51 -0600 Mirimir <mirimir@riseup.net> wrote:
So juan, what do you recommend instead of Tor?
To 'defend' against 'local' adversaries, the only thing that tor allegedly does? I don't recommend anything, but it looks like VPNs can be as good or as bad as tor. You can even nest them, can't you.
Yes, VPNs will provide as much privacy as Tor does for purely local adversaries. But if your adversary can get logs from the VPN server, or the hosting provider, you're screwed. With Tor, such adversaries would need to get logs from at least two of the three relays in circuits. And circuits change frequently, so that means lots of relays. And sure, you can nest VPNs. So a nested chain of three VPNs arguably does as much as a Tor circuit. But it's static. Or at least, I haven't figured out how to automate switching. And there's also the matter of paying for a bunch of VPNs. Anyway, I hedge my bets by accessing Tor through nested VPNs.
What do you use for privacy and/or "anonymity"?
Nothing. I'd play with freenet but I don't want to install java, so...
Right. I2P also runs on Java.
Why do you use the Internet? It's arguably just as pwned as Tor is.
Except that when I use the internet I'm not tring to hide anything.
Well, that's cool, if it works for you. Doesn't work for me, however.
And no lying piece of shit advertised the internet as having anything to do with :
"Anonymity Online."
Or that the internet lets you :
"Protect your privacy. Defend yourself against network surveillance and traffic analysis."
You have a point. But far too many people do seem to believe that they're anonymous on the Internet.