From eugen@leitl.org Tue Aug 13 13:32:50 2013 From: Eugen Leitl To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: [liberationtech] Swiss VPNs Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 19:32:47 +0200 Message-ID: <20130813173247.GC29404@leitl.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4717862263364371564==" --===============4717862263364371564== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Forwarded message from Moritz Bartl ----- Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 15:25:45 +0200 From: Moritz Bartl To: liberationtech(a)lists.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [liberationtech] Swiss VPNs User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130623 Thunderbi= rd/17.0.7 Reply-To: liberationtech On 13.08.2013 14:20, taxakis wrote: > Oligarchs and privacy advocates have something in common. =20 > If you got a better place, please name it. =20 I don't. I still believe we should stop being naive and promote Iceland or Switzerland, just because we think they offer better privacy. In general, just because you read something in the news, don't just believe it. I never said Germany was a better place. Yes, I should have quotable sources at hand, but at the moment I don't. A good address for a more detailed answer would be the Chaos Computer Club Switzerland, http://www.ccc-ch.ch/ , and, for Iceland, try the people behind IMMI, https://immi.is/ . The interesting part about Iceland is that there is a slight chance of *making it* a privacy-friendly jurisdiction. It is not, yet. If media always convey the picture of a privacy-friendly country, its own politicians will start believing it and fight for it, hopefully. --=20 Moritz Bartl https://www.torservers.net/ --=20 Liberationtech is a public list whose archives are searchable on Google. Viol= ations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.ed= u/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change p= assword by emailing moderator at companys(a)stanford.edu. ----- End forwarded message ----- --=20 Eugen* Leitl leitl http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://ativel.com http://postbiota.org AC894EC5: 38A5 5F46 A4FF 59B8 336B 47EE F46E 3489 AC89 4EC5 --===============4717862263364371564==--