From eugen@leitl.org Mon Oct 7 16:54:39 2013 From: Eugen Leitl To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: [Cryptography] Iran and murder Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2013 22:54:35 +0200 Message-ID: <20131007205435.GN10405@leitl.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5696645001602826232==" --===============5696645001602826232== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Forwarded message from John Kelsey ----- Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2013 12:03:20 -0400 From: John Kelsey To: Phillip Hallam-Baker Cc: "cryptography(a)metzdowd.com" , "James A. Do= nald" Subject: [Cryptography] Iran and murder Message-Id: <81634C0C-DC57-4AED-80B3-74FEDBC859B9(a)gmail.com> X-Mailer: iPad Mail (10B329) Alongside Phillip's comments, I'll just point out that assassination of key p= eople is a tactic that the US and Israel probably don't have any particular a= dvantages in. It isn't in our interests to encourage a worldwide tacit accep= tance of that stuff. =20 I suspect a lot of the broad principles we have been pushing (assassinations = and drone bombings can be done anywhere, cyber attacks against foreign countr= ies are okay when you're not at war, spying on everyone everywhere is perfect= ly acceptable policy) are in the short-term interests of various powerful peo= ple and factions in the US, but are absolutely horrible ideas when you consid= er the long-term interests of the US. We are a big, rich, relatively free co= untry with lots of government scientists and engineers (especially when you c= onsider funding) and tons of our economy and our society moving online. We a= re more vulnerable to widespread acceptance of these bad principles than almo= st anyone, ultimately, But doing all these things has won larger budgets and= temporary successes for specific people and agencies today, whereas the cost= s of all this will land on us all in the future. =20 --John _______________________________________________ The cryptography mailing list cryptography(a)metzdowd.com http://www.metzdowd.com/mailman/listinfo/cryptography ----- End forwarded message ----- --=20 Eugen* Leitl leitl http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://ativel.com http://postbiota.org AC894EC5: 38A5 5F46 A4FF 59B8 336B 47EE F46E 3489 AC89 4EC5 --===============5696645001602826232== Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" MIME-Version: 1.0 LS0tLS1CRUdJTiBQR1AgU0lHTkFUVVJFLS0tLS0KVmVyc2lvbjogR251UEcgdjEuNC4xMiAoR05V L0xpbnV4KQoKaVFJY0JBRUJBZ0FHQlFKU1V4K0xBQW9KRVBSdU5JbXNpVTdGWHpZUC8xVkF0ZWlB c1lxM2lJSFBuTXltUXpONgo1M3Y3RlVjTnlWVUFZUUFoQ0RnWkhwMkZ1VTNLd1ViVC9lWGFPZkZj YXdQUTRuSWhvMURzVU1HdGYyNzhYS25XCmtQWVkzREo0VzhXYytmekNnaFFCZkNqemVKYzI2VU16 QlJyaCt4aXVLT2hyWjU5MzVFSWVMemhXbzcwSHpBM0cKTXhxeStDQTJOQzlxajN5OE9Nc1FSd09S ZDc4d0hpVnFMQ0VRR2NwT3dnWld1amZVM1FaOVBGeXJ2SU1VVk5xKwpnMGh1cnVJR2Uza2pNdUZs SWtnK3lnbG1zbEVMdE0yK2gwT0FqSjJmNGtVZkNMVlg0NVVmb0ljODF6U0dHSjI3Ck9vcW82ekts dDV3VTF2VFd3eDNkbG9PeTJmY0lnUDVWMmdaSmp2UGpWYjdBNFhIQW5uSkJoTVJMWGxsdHVOUjAK UVNZTDVPTWhjbDVkL2tiRGZXMEpvUEhLUllabUVzK2c5K09KcFFva1NjLy8vdVVpRWtPZGR0dlJj Y0NpSmtONApuTmxFV1I2d2I1TkV6T3NneDBZeUVQbnRBSkE0RG83YmhvVEdaRjNMR2QrZG1kbHBk eDRKWFA3eUZJVGVWSTZ3Ck1JR0ovQ1Z6VHpURDN5TytGK0NYR2k4MFBsazh1NndHSFhoTllqbnVx R1dMRHNIY0hhUVM3OFF5Y1Y4cUVzMEEKVThuNDlIYmljUnRDNFBhaitSM0Jlck9mUUtNZWVpdi8x bUowMFBONHFWOFJsaEJUUE9lT2E3bHU4bzl6Y1EyVgpEenZsbEprOVdsR1UzRE8remlpdWlkS0FT Sy9HVEprOUtrVzc1MWV3Q05CUG1vSUFPV0YwZmZxdnpPYmFqcE5YClFpelN3NDZFMFJBbzNKQlg0 Q3NKCj1vVlNCCi0tLS0tRU5EIFBHUCBTSUdOQVRVUkUtLS0tLQo= --===============5696645001602826232==--