From eugen@leitl.org Sun Aug 25 04:15:05 2013 From: Eugen Leitl To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Appearing American and VPNs writ large Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 10:15:02 +0200 Message-ID: <20130825081502.GN29404@leitl.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1454643522533917098==" --===============1454643522533917098== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Forwarded message from Griffin Boyce ----- Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 13:51:09 -0400 From: Griffin Boyce To: tor-talk(a)lists.torproject.org Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Appearing American and VPNs writ large User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130803 Thunderbi= rd/17.0.8 Reply-To: tor-talk(a)lists.torproject.org On 08/23/2013 12:41 PM, Nathan Suchy wrote: > I'd beg to differ. There are very good VPN providers that keep absolutely > no logs so you would have anonymity in that case. I think a commercial vpn > without logs is the best way to go but you could also handpick nodes (tor > needs to have a auto feature which can auto pick nodes by country. Covert > Browser for IOS allows you to pick your exit node. You're assuming that there's endpoint anonymity and that no one could correlate you connecting to Server A and a piece of traffic coming from Server A at the same time. At a basic level, this type of correlation is responsible for Jeremy Hammond's arrest (his VPN disconnected from IRC right as he lost internet -- deniability is useless here). And any iOS device is likely keeping track of your recent server connections. If I had a week, I couldn't list all the cases where someone mislaid their trust in a service provider to protect them. Deniability is dead. What Tor provides is unlinkability. best, Griffin --=20 "Cypherpunks write code not flame wars." --Jurre van Bergen #Foucault / PGP: 0xAE792C97 / OTR: saint(a)jabber.ccc.de My posts, while frequently amusing, are not representative of the thoughts of= my employer.=20 --=20 tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk(a)lists.torproject.org To unsusbscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk ----- End forwarded message ----- --=20 Eugen* Leitl leitl http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://ativel.com http://postbiota.org AC894EC5: 38A5 5F46 A4FF 59B8 336B 47EE F46E 3489 AC89 4EC5 --===============1454643522533917098==--