From eugen@leitl.org Wed Oct 9 03:58:22 2013 From: Eugen Leitl To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: [drone-list] Joshua Foust on LARs Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2013 09:58:18 +0200 Message-ID: <20131009075818.GK10405@leitl.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7180342215527686887==" --===============7180342215527686887== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Forwarded message from Ali-Reza Anghaie ----- Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2013 22:38:41 -0400 From: Ali-Reza Anghaie To: drone-list Subject: Re: [drone-list] Joshua Foust on LARs Message-ID: Reply-To: drone-list On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 10:34 PM, Gregory Foster wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA512 > > National Journal (Oct 8) - "Soon, Drones May Be Able to Make Lethal > Decisions on Their Own" by @JoshuaFoust: > http://www.nationaljournal.com/national-security/soon-drones-may-be-able-to= -make-lethal-decisions-on-their-own-20131008 > > This unusual article is belied by its title, as it seems to marshal > evidence against the likelihood of military usage of lethal autonomous > robots (LARs) citing the very real fear of political consequences. > But freelance journalist Joshua Foust is a hawk and military realist, > so here's his hidden suggestion offered after illustrating how command > and control is a weak link in the global drone war machine: > >> It may be that the only way to make a drone truly secure is to >> allow it to make its own decisions without a human controller: if >> it receives no outside commands, then it cannot be hacked (at least >> as easily). And that's where LARs, might be the most attractive. > > gf I find his tone here curious since he is also quite insistent that NSA abuse is fairly mundane and - while agreeing with calls for more technical controls - seems perfectly happy to consider the existing ones good enough to agree with the NSA's assertions "no harm, no foul".. I also think that assertion of human control is glib-ludicrous, especially after calling out (rightfully) Greenwald's sudden "expertise" on all matters technical. I like Foust generally but he keeps getting the idea of controls balanced against human activity wrong IMO. -Ali -- Want to unsubscribe? Want to receive a weekly digest instead of daily emails?= Change your preferences: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/dron= e-list or email companys(a)stanford.edu ----- End forwarded message ----- --=20 Eugen* Leitl leitl http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://ativel.com http://postbiota.org AC894EC5: 38A5 5F46 A4FF 59B8 336B 47EE F46E 3489 AC89 4EC5 --===============7180342215527686887==--