-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday, November 26, 2001, at 07:58 PM, measl@mfn.org wrote:
On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, Jim Choate wrote:
On Tue, 20 Nov 2001, Faustine wrote:
Not all women are golddiggers. They're called 'old maids'. ALL women who are interested in a 'relationship' are 'golddiggers' in the sense they want to 'change' the other party.
Nothing like a good across the board generalization, huh Jim?
Well, I hate to be in the position of defending Jimbo, but he's right--in a sense, but not just about women.
I'd be willing to bet (should there be a way of proving it to my satisfaction) that in every relationship, one party would like to change AT LEAST 2 things about the other party.
Bah! Anyone who goes around trying to force the other person into becoming what they're not probably deserves whatever grief they give themselves over it. I don't change for anyone, nor do I expect anyone to change for me. Integrity and self-respect count for a lot in my book. And if we can enjoy each other for what we are, excellent. If not, time to move on to something more rewarding. Not all women go around with silly notions about "perfect soulmates" and all that nauseating weakminded crap. I find nothing in least bit attractive about a spineless simp telling me what he thinks I want to hear. What's so interesting about being around a personality-deficient jellyfish, man or woman. Pride isn't a sin, it's a virtue! Any relationship based on desperation or one partner's dysfunctional clingy need is a complete waste of time. So if you seem to be spending a lot of time around women who want to mash you down into a mold of some cartoonish happy- ever-after "ideal", perhaps it's time to look at why you keep choosing and ending up with them. If you were drawn to strong-willed independent women instead, I can assure you that you'd be facing an entirely different spectrum of dysfunctionality. ;) ~Faustine. I was going to look for an especially relevant sig quote, but on second thought, think the one I have now will do just fine... *** The right to be let alone is indeed the beginning of all freedoms. - --William O. Douglas, Associate Justice, US Supreme Court -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 (C) 1997-1999 Network Associates, Inc. and its affiliated companies. (Diffie-Helman/DSS-only version) iQA/AwUBPAfjCfg5Tuca7bfvEQJWjACg0BMIcZxHbll9XZFj2UodGSDcVZEAoNcb oPV1KVxwrmuG6wtNXv9kFrb/ =v+6/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Friday, November 30, 2001, at 11:50 AM, Faustine wrote:
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday, November 26, 2001, at 07:58 PM, measl@mfn.org wrote:
On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, Jim Choate wrote:
Not all women are golddiggers. They're called 'old maids'. ALL women who are interested in a 'relationship' are 'golddiggers' in the sense they want to 'change'
On Tue, 20 Nov 2001, Faustine wrote: the other party. Nothing like a good across the board generalization, huh Jim? Well, I hate to be in the position of defending Jimbo, but he's right--in a sense, but not just about women. I'd be willing to bet (should there be a way of proving it to my satisfaction) that in every relationship, one party would like to change AT LEAST 2 things about the other party. Bah! Anyone who goes around trying to force the other person into becoming what they're not probably deserves whatever grief they give themselves over it.
Who said anything about force?
I don't change for anyone, nor do I expect anyone to change for me.
You change every day. -- Pain looks good on other people. It's what they're for. --Sisters of Mercy--
Any relationship based on desperation or one partner's dysfunctional clingy need is a complete waste of time. So if you seem to be spending a lot of time around women who want to mash you down into a mold of some cartoonish happy- ever-after "ideal", perhaps it's time to look at why you keep choosing and ending up with them. If you were drawn to strong-willed independent women instead, I can assure you that you'd be facing an entirely different spectrum of dysfunctionality. ;)
The cpunk relevance evades me, but ... The 'relationship' is a product of some need, and classifying that need as clingy or something else is arbitrary and subjective. You invent 'drawn' as something that is not-clingy-need. Semantic nonsense. ===== end (of original message) Y-a*h*o-o (yes, they scan for this) spam follows: Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com
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