A proletariat experiment...
It looks like the G8 fire extinguisher was of the ~20lb variety. This is the same weight class as the bags of dog food I buy for my dogs. Next time you buy one get a friend to toss 'em back and forth. Then ask yourself, does that mass represent a deadly threat? The reality is that unless they snuck up behind you and hit you in the head a single might break a bone or arm but would not in any way be life threatening. If you've got access to skateboard wrist and elbow pads get a real fire extinguisher and try to block it with your hand. It ain't that hard. -- ____________________________________________________________________ Nature and Nature's laws lay hid in night: God said, "Let Tesla be", and all was light. B.A. Behrend The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage@ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------
At 03:34 PM 7/23/01, Jim Choate wrote:
It looks like the G8 fire extinguisher was of the ~20lb variety. This is the same weight class as the bags of dog food I buy for my dogs. Next time you buy one get a friend to toss 'em back and forth.
Then ask yourself, does that mass represent a deadly threat?
Bags of dog food are soft, fire extinguishers aren't. Why don't you play full force catch with cans of dog food at 10 feet, instead - no glove, of course.
The reality is that unless they snuck up behind you and hit you in the head a single might break a bone or arm but would not in any way be life threatening.
You really need to go take that exam.
If you've got access to skateboard wrist and elbow pads get a real fire extinguisher and try to block it with your hand. It ain't that hard.
The bottle is a little smaller than a 15 lb bottle, of course the 15 lb's refers to the weight of the bottle itself, it is closer to 50 lbs if it is fully charged with carbon dioxide (which we have no way to know whether it it was charged or what it was (once?) charged with). You really need to back down on this Choate. Reese
The bottle is a little smaller than a 15 lb bottle, of course the 15 lb's refers to the weight of the bottle itself, it is closer to 50 lbs if it is fully charged with carbon dioxide (which we have no way to know whether it it was charged or what it was (once?) charged with).
Well, memory may be playing tricks on me, but from what I remember from my fire fighting training in the Marine Corps, 15 pounds was the weight of the agent. A 50 pound bottle would really defeat the purpose of a portable fire extinguisher. There are many people who would have trouble holding the bottle in one had and pointing the nozzle with the other. Even a 35 pound (25 pounds agent, 10 pounds bottle) bottle is hard to manage at times. Depending on the construction of the container you could add another 5 to 10 pounds for the bottle etc.
At 10:11 PM 7/23/01, Petro wrote:
The bottle is a little smaller than a 15 lb bottle, of course the 15 lb's refers to the weight of the bottle itself, it is closer to 50 lbs if it is fully charged with carbon dioxide (which we have no way to know whether it it was charged or what it was (once?) charged with).
Well, memory may be playing tricks on me, but from what I remember from my fire fighting training in the Marine Corps, 15 pounds was the weight of the agent.
I spoke of a standard 15 lb CO2 bottle, fully charged with nozzle and horn they weigh 49.5 lbs in the US Navy, if you are trying to remember those same bottles then you are remembering incorrectly. The bottle was about the same diameter but shorter in height, so maybe PKP but I don't think the civilian community has a true equivalent to that. PKP bottles have 18 lbs of agent.
A 50 pound bottle would really defeat the purpose of a portable fire extinguisher.
Tell it to the numbskull who designed the FP-180. That number is supposed to represent the # of gallons per minute the device will flow, but is often jokingly associated with the weight of the "portable" piece of firefighting gear. Finally, the navy dispensed with them, outside of a few fixed-type installations where there was no pretense of "portability."
There are many people who would have trouble holding the bottle in one had and pointing the nozzle with the other.
Such people are weeded out in boot camp. There are many people who cannot pat their head and rub their tummy while chewing bubblegum, they are weeded out in boot camp too. Many of them cannot even look where they are walking, and so we find them walking in front of traffic and all manner of places they should not be.
Even a 35 pound (25 pounds agent, 10 pounds bottle) bottle is hard to manage at times.
No shit. So remember it being heavier, it was when fully charged.
Depending on the construction of the container you could add another 5 to 10 pounds for the bottle etc.
15 lbs bottle, 50 lbs total weight including agent. I'll check out the security classification on the PMS card and if it's unrestricted, scan one and post the url after I upload it. Reese
At 11:28 PM 7/23/01, Reese wrote:
At 10:11 PM 7/23/01, Petro wrote:
Depending on the construction of the container you could add another 5 to 10 pounds for the bottle etc.
15 lbs bottle, 50 lbs total weight including agent. I'll check out the security classification on the PMS card and if it's unrestricted, scan one and post the url after I upload it.
It's restricted. What was once an R-7 is now an R-24, and what was once an across the board 49.5 lbs is now anywhere from 40 to 60 lbs, depending on size of bottle and the material the bottle is constructed from, there are four different weights listed. Sorry I cannot say more. Reese
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