I beg to differ. Stanton McCandlish <anton@hydra.unm.edu> writes:
As for "is kermit good enough?" No. Almost NO ONE in the DOS world uses it any more, ..flames elided...
I agree that the PC-centric BBS world has decided that Kermit is obsolete. Kermit is continually improving and is very nearly as fast as ZMODEM. It is available for nearly all platforms, is free, and source is availilbe. It includes NASI support directly. It has a very nice (powerful) scripting language. It also works over TCP/IP networks for folks with the luck to be Ethernet'd into the Internet (like most of the faculty and staff here at GMU). It also has very strong backward compatibility. I expect that Kermit is good enuff if you are interested in commandline scripts for plain old DOS. And the scripting language is also supported by the C version that run on nearly all Unixs and most other boxes. This would allow a single script to support a lot of users. I'm not interestedin DOS and command lines, but if some other cypherpunk wants to try, I'm sure not going to complain. Pat Pat Farrell Grad Student pfarrell@cs.gmu.edu Department of Computer Science George Mason University, Fairfax, VA Public key availble via finger #include <standard.disclaimer>
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As for "is kermit good enough?" No. Almost NO ONE in the DOS world uses it any more, ..flames elided...
I agree that the PC-centric BBS world has decided that Kermit is obsolete.
Maybe it's just us... ;^)
Kermit is continually improving and is very nearly as fast as ZMODEM.
Maybe I have a slow version, but I have NEVER gotten comparable results 'tween kermit and zmodem, or even ymodem. Usually it's a 2:1 difference.
It is available for nearly all platforms, is free, and source is availilbe. It includes NASI support directly. It has a very nice (powerful) scripting language. It also works over TCP/IP networks for folks with the luck to be Ethernet'd into the Internet (like most of the faculty and staff here at GMU). It also has very strong backward compatibility.
This is worth considering...
I expect that Kermit is good enuff if you are interested in commandline scripts for plain old DOS. And the scripting language is also supported by the C version that run on nearly all Unixs and most other boxes. This would allow a single script to support a lot of users. I'm not interestedin DOS and command lines, but if some other cypherpunk wants to try, I'm sure not going to complain.
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I am NOT interested in arguing the merits or lack thereof of Kermit. Kermit IS used, but rarely on PCs, and VERY rarely in what appears to be the target market. Remember that we're talking about a general-user, friendly application for the compuklutz. After being spoiled by QModem, there is no way in hell, heaven or otherwise that many of them will use Kermit or something based on it, unless it offers all that QM does (incl. Zmodem, external protocols, cute menuing interface, etc.) I think there's a confusion here, namely that Kermit is useful on some sorts of machines, and for specific purposes, but this idea is getting mixed up with what is the most useful DOS comm program(s), the one(s) most used. THATs where the market is. Its not a matter of "is kermit cool, is kermit good enough, is kermit free?", its a matter of "will the target users actually use it, or anything based on it?" I'd suggest again that the answer is "no". That's all. Not meaning to insult anyone who's fave term prog. is kermit. Just trying to suggest a clarified view of the PC telecom program market. People make new comm programs all the time, many with a LOT of features. But they ain't the Big Three, so they get ignored. Perhaps sadly. -- When marriage is outlawed only outlaws will be inlaws! Stanton McCandlish, SysOp: Noise in the Void DataCenter Library BBS Internet anton@hydra.unm.edu IndraNet: 369:1/1 FidoNet: 1:301/2 Snail: 1811-B Coal Pl. SE, Albuquerque, New Mexico 87108 USA Data phone: +1-505-246-8515 (24hr, 1200-14400 v32bis, N-8-1) Vox phone: +1-505-247-3402 (bps rate varies, depends on if you woke me up...:)
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