RE: What might have happened on Sept. 11...
Jim Choate[SMTP:ravage@ssz.com] wrote:
On Thu, 20 Sep 2001, Matthew Gaylor wrote:
What might have happened on Sept. 11 if this were truly The Land of the Free:
<http://www.tlknapp.net/bieser091101frames.html>
Go to the above url to view a cartoon created by Scott Bieser, proprietor of Liberty Artworx <http://www.libertyartworx.com/>.
Except they'd have had guns too...the plane needs lots of little holes and more dead bodies (with shooters hunkered down behind the seats). James Choate
Think it through Jim, if you can. What would actually happen is that there would not be an attempt to hijack the plane. The only reason the terrorists pulled it off on the first three was that the usual protocol for hijacks involves landing, and letting most/all of the passengers off unharmed. For disarmed passengers, the best option for survival was to anticipate this protocol, and sit tight. As soon as some of the passengers on plane 4 learned what a different protocol was in effect, the terrorists were doomed. If a hijack was attempted today, even against disarmed passengers by terrorists with guns there would be, in the words of one recent post 'entrails on the windows, even if the passengers were Quaker schoolgirls". A plane where there is a chance that a significant fraction of the passengers are armed (hopefully with frangible, low velocity ammo) is no longer a soft target, even to terrorists with guns. They best they can hope to do is crash the plane, without any precise selection of target. Peter Trei
On Thu, 20 Sep 2001, Trei, Peter wrote:
Think it through Jim, if you can.
What would actually happen is that there would not be an attempt to hijack the plane. The only reason the terrorists pulled it off
See Isreal...some guy got within 2 hours of an El Al(?) flight except he blew himself up...All those big tanks and machine guns doesn't seem to slow those bombers down....keep wishing on that star. Think it through Peter, if you can. These people aren't afraid to die. If they knew everyone on the plane was armed they'd get in various place, throw smoke grenades, and then fire a couple of rounds and duck, all the trigger happy cowboys would blow each other away in the confusion. -- ____________________________________________________________________ Kill them all, take their land, and go there for vacation. Rage Against The Machine The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage@ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------
Inchoate simpered:
These people aren't afraid to die.
Nonsense. Just because they are willing to die for their cause in no way speaks to their inner state. Also, while they seem willing to die for something that advances their cause (e.g., a SUCCESSFUL mission), this does not mean that they are willing to throw their lives away attempting a mission with an extremely low probability of success. Cost/benefit analysis, look into it.
If they knew everyone on the plane was armed they'd get in various place, throw smoke grenades, and then fire a couple of rounds and duck, all the trigger happy cowboys would blow each other away in the confusion.
IF they knew... IF they could count on there being "trigger happy cowboys" on board (what nonsense)... IF they could rely on the "trigger happy cowboys" panicking AND being good shots (what utter nonsense)... S a n d y
On Thu, 20 Sep 2001, Sandy Sandfort wrote:
Inchoate simpered:
These people aren't afraid to die.
Nonsense. Just because they are willing to die for their cause in no way speaks to their inner state.
Talk about nonsense.... Since when was 'will' a external state, and just exactly what is an external state. -- ____________________________________________________________________ Kill them all, take their land, and go there for vacation. Rage Against The Machine The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage@ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------
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