Re: [IP] One Internet provider's view of FBI's CALEA wiretap push
At 08:51 PM 4/23/04 +0200, Thomas Shaddack wrote:
On Fri, 23 Apr 2004, John Kelsey wrote:
The obvious problem with multiple levels of passwords and data is: When does the guy with the rubber hose stop beating passwords out of you?
This serves a purpose as well.
Why would you ever cooperate if you can't expect much from the deal anyway?
Since passphrases are in persons' minds, and minds and wills can be broken, one has to consider the security implications of this. Mil orgs don't assume that prisoners are able to keep secrets under arbitrary duress. Duress layering buys time for your colleages and family in all cases, whether they kill you or not. If they're not killing you, then maybe they'll buy one of the deeper levels of duress layers. If you physically destroy the keys or the data, there is little to gain by torturing you or your family. That is superior to gambling that your deeper duress levels are convincing to the man with the electrodes. An iButton that you could crunch in your teeth to destroy it would be nice...
Major Variola writes...
If you physically destroy the keys or the data, there is little to gain by torturing you or your family. That is superior to gambling that your deeper duress levels are convincing to the man with the electrodes.
Are there any publicly available documents that detail interrogation protocols and what brainwave patterns and bloodflow look like during truth telling and lying? Preferably something that gets into how to consciously alter brainwave patterns and bloodflow with this application in mind... A document with a thorough discussion of various depressants on such an interrogation process would also be most interesting. We all know that no lie detector is not perfect, but trying to convince captors that I'm part of a minority of subjects -- those who appear to be lying when they're not -- is not my idea of fun.
On Fri, 23 Apr 2004, A.Melon wrote:
Are there any publicly available documents that detail interrogation protocols and what brainwave patterns and bloodflow look like during truth telling and lying? Preferably something that gets into how to consciously alter brainwave patterns and bloodflow with this application in mind...
There is other possibility how to "beat" interrogation - suitable only for some subsets of situations, when the organization design is prepared for this. Tell them all. Tell them the truth. Make sure in advance that you can afford to do it without telling them what they need/want to know - design the system the way you won't be *able* to know the information that could endanger the "important" parts of your system/organization.
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