That's not coercion you moron, that's progress. ----------------------Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--------------------------- + ^ + :Surveillance cameras|Passwords are like underwear. You don't /|\ \|/ :aren't security. A |share them, you don't hang them on your/\|/\ <--*-->:camera won't stop a |monitor, or under your keyboard, you \/|\/ /|\ :masked killer, but |don't email them, or put them on a web \|/ + v + :will violate privacy|site, and you must change them very often. --------_sunder_@_sunder_._net_------- http://www.sunder.net ------------ On Sun, 9 Dec 2001, Jim Choate wrote:

On Thu, 6 Dec 2001, David Honig wrote:

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At 08:03 PM 12/6/01 +1100, mattd wrote:

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Coercion is implicit in all capitalism above low level market and trade

Joe the nailmaker invests in a machine to make nails faster than he can by hand. Who has he coerced?

The market. He threatens the other nail producers and forces them to respond. That is coercion (just psychological and economic instead of physical force).

Coercion isn't bad (consider discounts based on reputation), it's why and how that matters.

Right back to the end doesn't justify the means, again.