Re: Apple vs. Free Software Foundation
Steve Davis writes:
When something as broad and necessary as "freedom" is at stake, it is important to know who your friends are.
When my son asks me "What does 'fair' mean?", I had to answer: "It depends on who says it." When someone says "That's not fair!" or "I think that's fair", most often they are not weighing abstract values; they are deciding whether the situation is favorable to them, and describing it with charged vocabulary to sway all other parties to their point of view. Patents on machines are fair; but patents on really useful algorithms -- that I could actually use in my code (if it weren't for that damn patent) -- aren't. Why? Because I don't like it (and I really, really don't like it :( ). Companies act like people in many ways: they grow; they have goals; they protect their interests; and they ignore that which they don't believe will effect them. But like animals and machines, it is important not to anthropomorphize companies. No company is anyones 'friend'. I speak for neither Apple, nor FSF, but it is easy to see why they have taken the courses that they have. Neither path has led to its promised goal. FSF is not punishing Apple. It _is_ punishing programmers, individuals, human beings who have a job to do. In fact, the FSF is punishing me, since I have spent no small amount time programming Apple computers (and no small amount of time porting GNU tools to them). Has Apple's strategy of closely guarded secrets proved the correct one? Let's call up Bill Gates and ask him. In summary, I find your statements to be an undisguised attempt to hang your unrelated personal agenda from a charged political situation. Do I think that's fair? People have been doing it for centuries. I may not approve of Apple's technological strategy, but (even though it is not a human being) I will defend its right to _its_ privacy.
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Steve Davis writes:
When something as broad and necessary as "freedom" is at stake, it is important to know who your friends are.
FSF is not punishing Apple. It _is_ punishing programmers, individuals, human beings who have a job to do. In fact, the FSF is punishing me, since I have spent no small amount time programming Apple computers (and no small amount of time porting GNU tools to them). Has Apple's strategy of closely guarded secrets proved the correct one? Let's call up Bill Gates and ask him.
In summary, I find your statements to be an undisguised attempt to hang your unrelated personal agenda from a charged political situation. Do I think that's fair? People have been doing it for centuries.
I would love to write pages about how Apple used to supply ROM code for free with its machines and now sends the FBI after people who simply get portions of their code, or about how they 'went corporate' and betrayed all of the people who were loyal throughout the Steve^2 era, but instead I'll say: Please don't argue about this here. It may have some relevance to Cypherpunks, but it is an emotionally charged issue and neither side will ever convert the other; this will just degenerate in to a mindless flame war, getting nowhere fast. Don't flood the list. If you do decide to continue this, keep using anonymous remailers; Strat is vicious when he's pissed, just ask Dave. <ducks and runs for cover, hoping that Strat doesn't know where he lives <grin>> -- Dan Odom danodom@matt.ksu.ksu.edu -- Kansas State University, Manhattan, KS PGP key by finger or request.
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