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From cypherpunks-request@toad.com Fri Feb 19 07:53:56 1993 From: Phiber Optik <phiber@eff.org> Message-Id: <199302190537.AA28048@eff.org> Subject: Re: toad.com mailing list postings from possible virus authors To: gnu@toad.com (John Gilmore) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 93 0:37:18 EST Cc: cypherpunks@toad.com In-Reply-To: <9302190140.AA08377@toad.com>; from "John Gilmore" at Feb 18, 93 5:40 pm

Granted the idiocy of Mr. High-and-Mighty Army Man's opinion of what people can and can't say, I couldn't help but point out two silly things in the

BY Jove I think you have hit it, People go nto the military because they have an inner need to be controlled and to control to the point of violence if need be( for the military in general and the army , marines and and special intelligence agencies>, they are after all as their prime mission capable of extreme violence and the taking of human life, as a means of social control. Law enforcement seems to have very similiar mentality as well, with CONTROL being the agenda and reason for existance-- Suppose we think of guerilla products such as PGP and anoynmous posting mechanisms and forwarders in their larger social sense As behaviour modification for those who would have our privacy as well as our lives. No social insult is intended by this message about mr peterson or the military /intelligence/police community. We should remember however that with the same body of individuals as just described we are dealing with seriously maladjusted individuals who have an inate need to control others, such has been adequately demonstrated by the individuals attempted supression of Murdering Thug's constitutionally protected speech, instead of taunting them maybe we should be finding ways to prevent our tax dollars from supporting them in their evil OBSCENE fantasies of violence and Control I for one am DAMN TIRED of being censored supressed and persecuted by the military/Law Enforcement/Intelligence community . I am also putting my time in next project with peace/activist/political groups such as the christic action peace groups(you know the folks who use to sue the fed over intelligence abuses by the CIA/NSA/DEA/DIA crouwd) Well i their national organization was wiped out by lawsuit by bush and and company and changes in their tax status. These were and are the same people suing the CIA over the La-penca bombing in honduras of Journalists during the times of the contras in Nicgura. They while their agenda is a good bit more political than ours have been the only ones for years keeping the federal government at bay by lawsuit. They need technical assistance, hookins to peacenet and Econet and general help, considering the widespread nature of the problem we are fighting here maybe we should consider very actively promultagating PGP and DC style anoymous networks among the pease/political/human rights group. It would provide convenient crypto-noise of PGP messgaes and greatly increase the amount of money that the federal government has to spend investigating and force them to spread themselves even more thinly...:) It should also be remembered that the primary impact of products like PGP and DC style nets beyond the privacy implications is economic. Investigating citizens cost real tax dollars, the intelligence oversight committees are not going to let the NSA et al keep asking for more money year after year and the same holds true for the law enforcement community, where a witch hunt was possible before public domain crypto systems such as PGP were available, now because of the blackout in communications to the intelligence community, they are getting very nervuous, people can now communicate secretly about the best way to end the influence of a massively overbloated cold war community and stop paying the bills for same... if you were in THEIR shoes wouldnt you be seeking ways to keep ATLAS from shrugging??? cheers kelly P.s. sorry for the long and drawn out nature and the rambling style and the non-techical content, and I do feel it was important to express myself in the fashion I have...