I just thought I should add that I agree with the last poster. Cryptography will be increasingly hard to learn in the future, if this kind of thing goes on. But it will be ten or fifteen years before anyone has computers which can crack an 128-bit version of DES. I am cryptologically naive, but I think that people can always find privacy when they want it. An underground cypherpunk movement may be the only way to bring up new cryptographers. More important is the issue of equipment. Is a computer communications equipment? If so, we might have clipper chips on our motherboards. Reading input from the keyboard. This is a crisis for privacy. Can someone, preferably the people who run the cypherpunk list, set up a Privacy Advertising Fund? I would be willing to donate money, and hopefully many other cypherpunks would too. We might win that way. Urge people to protest with full-page ads in newspapers. With 30- second TV spots. With demonstrations. I will donate, if it is formed, but I can not form it except under the most extreme conditions. I have no experience in advertising or management. Be afraid. Be very afraid. Kragen Sittler