Re: cypherpunks discussions
At 07:22 AM 12/8/03 -0800, Eric Murray wrote:
Other people have made the point that mailing lists are "old tech" and I agree. I don't like the new replacements (blogs, web boards) as much as lists, but perhaps that's because of what I used first.
Its not just "the First is the Only Way" phenom. What's going on is that folks are online all the time now, so things interactive (web boards, IM) have become more popular than they could have been in the dial-up past. The big advantage of email, which was the original "killer app", was store and forward. Ie, asych; offline. IM strikes me as perverse. If I wanted to be interrupted I'd answer my telephone. Email clients of olde allowed aliasing to lists, which predated (and motivated) mailing list exploders/auto-managers. They are still widely used for group-of-friends 'private' lists. Even my parents understand Bcc: nowadays. Yahoo boards have options to use email, and modern clients manage multiple email addresses. But for online folks a board is perhaps more convenient, since the board is accessable everywhere. For home/office/school mobility this is a feature, even if its regressing to the "PC as dumb terminal" mechanism. The advantage of eg Yahoo groups (and presumably blogs) is their moderation; the lack thereof enabled spammers to bulldoze the commons of usenet. Inevitable. Also the reason why lne.com is the best node.
Kids these days don't know how to use shell shortcuts either.
Not sure what you mean by that. "Shortcut" is a M$ term for lame-ass sym link. ---- "Remember, it takes 42 muscles to frown and only 4 to pull the trigger of a decent sniper rifle." Michael Hohensee
On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 08:31:07AM -0800, Major Variola (ret) wrote:
The advantage of eg Yahoo groups (and presumably blogs) is their moderation; the lack thereof enabled spammers to bulldoze the commons of usenet. Inevitable.
I've been hearing about blog-spamming lately, and I've seen spammers attack web boards as well. Spammers are also using worms to get control of victim's machines and sending their spam from there.
Kids these days don't know how to use shell shortcuts either.
Not sure what you mean by that. "Shortcut" is a M$ term for lame-ass sym link.
Sorry, I was in a hurry. History substition is what I meant... i.e. % ericm > mkdir /home/cpun % ericm > ^pun^punk % ericm > cd !$ etc. or any of the hundreds of other history substitution commands. No one I work with knows any of them; they all either laboriously re-type or use the command-line editor even when it requires many more keystrokes. I try to restrain myself from barking out "bang dollar! bang dollar dammit!" but sometimes I can't help it. Eric
The web boards (forums) like phpNuke, et al, are not nearly as useful as listservs. The problem is that you have to go there. So, for instance, for the lists I admin, if someone puts out an announcement of an upcoming event, and people don't think to go look at the forum for awhile, they get the annoucement too late. Not a good thing. Another serious problem with them is that if you don't go there for awhile, the messages pile up, if it's a fairly active list, and become overwhelming. The tendency is then to just skip them. You also can't filter out the people you don't like -- a real drag. As for the lne.com blocks on "spammers", that bit me too. When my dsl line ip changes, sometimes I can post to lne, sometimes I can't. So I just subscribe to lne to get the spam free postings, and then post to minder.net. -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com
On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 10:46:04AM -0800, Eric Murray wrote:
On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 08:31:07AM -0800, Major Variola (ret) wrote:
The advantage of eg Yahoo groups (and presumably blogs) is their moderation; the lack thereof enabled spammers to bulldoze the commons of usenet. Inevitable.
I've been hearing about blog-spamming lately, and I've seen spammers attack web boards as well.
The venerable "Matt's Script Archive" guestbook.pl seems to be a spam target. One victim: http://www.takedown.com/guestbook
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