Schoolyard arguments
I read it. Yes but in the deconstruction/analysis, you STILL don't support your position WRT the objections raised, you switch over to "maybe it shouldn't be done so fast." But then you say the bill "will have to go to conference committee and then, probably, both chambers of Congress for another vote.." So it's not being passed *into law* at midnite by voice vote, it will be subject to investigation and review, Leahy is out there doing a good job, and finally - does your Wired readership know that you think so little of them that they can't understand some of what this debate is about? Killfile away, and I shall do same. ----- Original Message -----
Unfortunately for "citizenq"'s tender sensibilities, sometimes it actually makes sense to call a fool a fool. This is one of those times. "citizenq" clearly does not understand the difference between a news article written by the general public that does not permit line-by-line analysis of the bill and more technical commentary that it suitable for other fora. I did write a detailed description of the bill for Politech, where such an analysis is appropriate: http://www.politechbot.com/p-02518.html
"citizenq" has proven itself someone who needs killfiling.
-Declan
At 09:08 PM 9/16/01 +0000, citizenq@hushmail.com wrote:
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The wired-generation issue is that we don't need glib knowitall half-information or reporting that's packaged just like an SUV ad except it's for the socalled digiscenti. The issue is that we need
On Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 03:06:59PM -0700, citizenq@hushmail.com wrote: the best information that we can get and Declan's superficial reportage of the Congressional debate does NOT fulfill the need.
Fool.
"Doesn't take criticism well."
I linked to the transcript and posted the text of the bill myself.
I offered in-depth coverage. Compare and contrast to wire coverage of the same legislation to achieve enlightenment.
Is this where you set the bar when lives are on on the line? You post a link, post some text and then proclaim the sky is falling, or this thing or another thing, without analysis? My point is you have to do better.
"Doesn't perform according to his potential."
Never mind I'll do it myself.
-Declan
On Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 10:37:45PM -0700, citizenQ wrote:
I read it. Yes but in the deconstruction/analysis, you STILL don't support your position WRT the objections raised, you switch over to "maybe it shouldn't be done so fast." But then you say the bill "will have to go to conference committee and then, probably, both chambers of Congress for another vote.."
I raised few policy objections. Instead I laid out what the bill would do. It sounds like you're what Tim would call a simp-wimp apologist for using Carnivore without court orders who is actively trying to sabotage privacy.
So it's not being passed *into law* at midnite by voice vote,
Never said it was.
it will be subject to investigation and review,
Nope. -Declan
On Monday, September 17, 2001, at 06:58 AM, Declan McCullagh wrote:
On Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 10:37:45PM -0700, citizenQ wrote:
I read it. Yes but in the deconstruction/analysis, you STILL don't support your position WRT the objections raised, you switch over to "maybe it shouldn't be done so fast." But then you say the bill "will have to go to conference committee and then, probably, both chambers of Congress for another vote.."
I raised few policy objections. Instead I laid out what the bill would do.
It sounds like you're what Tim would call a simp-wimp apologist for using Carnivore without court orders who is actively trying to sabotage privacy.
Yep, "citizenQ" is one of the simp-wimps.He hides behind his Hushmail and Ziplip accounts, possibly using remailers fed into them, but then calls for regulating crypto and privacy. Not all those calling for key escrow and the other accouterments of repression are simp-wimps: some are hopeful sellers of key escrow schemes. "Chefron," our Dutch fascist, is one of these hopeful sellers of key escrow systems. The guy who sent out letters to Dorothy Denning, Baker, and others is another. But the arms dealers of repression need the simp-wimp fellow travellers to give them moral cover. --Tim May
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