You missed the irony, I guess I should have put in the irony-smiley. Given the overall context of the bill, the debate on the floor, and it's conclusion your report is shrill and Chicken-littleish, which does nothing for creating credible support of resistance to eroding civil liberty. Do your job, support your position, and do it clearly. Right now I have no patience for Wired-generation smugness.
circumstances, that this amendment allows cybertapping under, for
On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 04:11:53PM -0700, citizenQ wrote: > Please indicate the wider circumstances, particularly the warrantless those of us without your time or acumen in editing the existing Title III language.
To achieve enlightement, you must consider how this bill amends existing wiretap law. This will take some time, it is true, but it is The Path.
-Declan
On Saturday, September 15, 2001, at 10:35 AM, citizenQ <citizenQ@ziplip.com wrote:
You missed the irony, I guess I should have put in the irony-smiley.
Given the overall context of the bill, the debate on the floor, and it's conclusion your report is shrill and Chicken-littleish, which does nothing for creating credible support of resistance to eroding civil liberty. Do your job, support your position, and do it clearly. Right now I have no patience for Wired-generation smugness.
This is not a "Wired-generation" issue. This issue was one Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, and the other Founders were worried about. In fact, there is no chance for public debate on this express train. New laws are being passed by voice vote, at midnight. Some Congressmen have admitted they have no idea what they are voting to approve, only that it has something to do with fighting terrorism. This is the Clipper/ITAR/CDA battle compressed into a week, instead of years. And there is no debate, no dissent. You are welcome to give up _your_ civil liberties, but anyone trying to take mine away has earned killing, by any means necessary. Funny, I notice how many of the critics of Cypherpunks and supporters of this express train approach to repealing the Bill of Rights are themselves hiding behind Cypherpunks remailers, Hushmail aliases, and Ziplip nyms. --Tim May
On Sat, 15 Sep 2001, Tim May wrote:
Funny, I notice how many of the critics of Cypherpunks and supporters of this express train approach to repealing the Bill of Rights are themselves hiding behind Cypherpunks remailers, Hushmail aliases, and Ziplip nyms.
That is because they fear *us*, Tim, not their goverments. These are the people who believe that Law Enforcement Agencies know best, and the only protection they need is that which prevents their fellow citizens from harming them. They'd happily use government-operated remailers. To them, Men with Badges are a better breed. -MW-
At 10:35 AM 9/15/01 -0700, citizenQ wrote:
You missed the irony, I guess I should have put in the irony-smiley.
Given the overall context of the bill, the debate on the floor, and it's conclusion your report is shrill and Chicken-littleish, which does nothing for creating credible support of resistance to eroding civil liberty. Do your job, support your position, and do it clearly. Right now I have no patience for Wired-generation smugness.
Clearly you have missed the path to enlightenment. -Declan
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