"Touching shuttle debris may cause bad spirits to invade your body!"
Journalists may as well be saying the above, saying that shuttle debris has evil spirits which can come out if the debris is touched. Part of the dumbing down of America, and of journalism. (I just heard one Fox News anchorbimbo referring to the Russian rocket launched today as "bringing supplies to the space station.) The journalists are spouting the NASA line that shuttle debris may be "hot" and may have dangerous substances. Right. As if the heat and spinning and 12000 mph turbulence hasn't scrubbed every surface of its volatiles. What they want is for people not to collect the pieces and hang on to them on their fireplace mantles. Or to try to sell them at flea markets and EBay. But the only way they think they can frighten people off is to utter obvious gibberish about how the pieces are "hot" and "may be toxic." "DALLAS (AP) - From corrosive fuels to ammonia-like liquids, insulation and plastics, space shuttle Columbia carried a witch's brew of toxic and caustic materials designed to work in the hostile environment of space. "Authorities warned the public to stay away from shuttle debris because it could be harmful. "Perry said either liquid oxygen from the shuttle's fuel system or liquid nitrogen used to inflate the tires could be dangerous. " Right. Those charred and warped pieces of metal are going to have liquid oxygen and/or liquid nitrogen on them...after the fall and after sitting on the ground (not to mentioned being so "hot," other NASA droids and reporters report). (Needless to say, any look at the images of the designated officials picking up the bits of debris shows no HAZMAT suits, no welding gloves to deal with the "hot" debris. The pickup crews are just wearing ordinary coveralls and uniforms.) Last laugh: CNN is carrying (10:06 a.m. PST) an "information" slug at the bottom of a Wolf Blitzer interview: "Columbia was traveling 18 times faster than the speed of light." Yes, "speed of light." Speaking of journalists, why does Wolf Blitzer repeat this obvious lie about the metal bits and pieces being tainted by evil spirits? Because these so-called journalists are stooges for the state. A real journalist would just roll his eyes and say "Look, folks, NASA wants these pieces to be aid in reconstructing the accident. There are no traces of liquid propellants and deadly chemicals on these pieces. And they certainly didn't stay hot for long. NASA is trying to get us to feed you jive so you'll be properly frightened and won't touch them.?" --Tim May, Occupied America "They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759.
On Sunday, February 2, 2003, at 10:19 AM, Tim May wrote:
Last laugh: CNN is carrying (10:06 a.m. PST) an "information" slug at the bottom of a Wolf Blitzer interview: "Columbia was traveling 18 times faster than the speed of light."
Yes, "speed of light."
This same slug has since appeared several more times, suggesting only complete morons and scientific illiterates are manning the control rooms. --Tim May
At 10:19 AM -0800 2/2/03, Tim May wrote:
Last laugh: CNN is carrying (10:06 a.m. PST) an "information" slug at the bottom of a Wolf Blitzer interview: "Columbia was traveling 18 times faster than the speed of light."
Yes, "speed of light."
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At 10:19 AM 2/2/03 -0800, Tim May wrote: ...
Speaking of journalists, why does Wolf Blitzer repeat this obvious lie about the metal bits and pieces being tainted by evil spirits? Because these so-called journalists are stooges for the state.
Well, the bit about "18 times the speed of light," and other mistakes I've seen through the years, make me suspect that Wolf and company simply don't have the technical background and built-in BS detectors necessary to catch things like this. (For some reason I've never been able to fathom, many journalists seem to be remarkably gullable, when they're told something from the right kind of source, especially a government agency or other official source.)
A real journalist would just roll his eyes and say "Look, folks, NASA wants these pieces to be aid in reconstructing the accident. There are no traces of liquid propellants and deadly chemicals on these pieces. And they certainly didn't stay hot for long. NASA is trying to get us to feed you jive so you'll be properly frightened and won't touch them.?"
I recall a guy on NPR saying something like this, a bit more politely. Something like "The pieces surely aren't going to be dangerous, but moving them is going to mess up the investigation of the crash." Which presumably is what everyone with any technical background and common sense was thinking when they heard the original warning, right?
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John Kelsey, kelsey.j@ix.netcom.com
On Sunday, February 2, 2003, at 11:07 PM, John Kelsey wrote:
A real journalist would just roll his eyes and say "Look, folks, NASA wants these pieces to be aid in reconstructing the accident. There are no traces of liquid propellants and deadly chemicals on these pieces. And they certainly didn't stay hot for long. NASA is trying to get us to feed you jive so you'll be properly frightened and won't touch them.?"
I recall a guy on NPR saying something like this, a bit more politely. Something like "The pieces surely aren't going to be dangerous, but moving them is going to mess up the investigation of the crash." Which presumably is what everyone with any technical background and common sense was thinking when they heard the original warning, right?
The last laugh may be from the lawsuits. Yahoo reports "hundreds" of people reporting sickness, blah blah, from contact with the debris. Almost certainly all either bullshit or sympathetic magic, but the obvious result of the news outlets widely reporting "the space debris may make you very sick!" Some fraction actually think they are sick, some fraction hope to share in a possible payout of billions by a backed-into-a-corner space agency, and some very, very tiny fraction may have actually touched some component which made them slightly ill. Dumb fucks, all. --Tim May "The only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others. His own good, either physical or moral, is not a sufficient warrant." --John Stuart Mill
On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, Thomas Shaddack wrote:
...and some very, very tiny fraction may have actually touched some component which made them slightly ill.
Tf they ingested a part made of beryllium alloy, it could make them pretty sick...
Gee golly! I'm so glad that CNN told me that the space shuttle confetti was bad for me, or I would have gnawed on that chunk of metal in my front yard! Honestly.
On Monday, February 3, 2003, at 09:18 AM, Thomas Shaddack wrote:
...and some very, very tiny fraction may have actually touched some component which made them slightly ill.
Tf they ingested a part made of beryllium alloy, it could make them pretty sick...
First, if they are eating shuttle debris, think of it as evolution in action. Second, beryllium is not much used in the mostly-aluminum shuttle. Web sites say some of the brake assemblies use beryllium and its alloys. Third, it would take longer for someone who ate a shuttle part to feel sick, due to Be or any other metal poisoning, than we saw on Saturday. I vote for the "sympathetic magic" theory. (As it happens, one of my first engineering assignments, in 1974, was working on a BeO alternative to Al2O3/alumina for packages. Berylliosis was a concern for the _manufacturing_ of the packages from pressed powder, but touching or licking or whatever the finished packages was not an issue.) --Tim May
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Bill Frantz
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John Kelsey
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Meyer Wolfsheim
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Thomas Shaddack
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Tim May