Another point of the 14'ths "Due Process" and it's trumping...
It's already trumped by a stronger requirement in the 5'th and 6'th, in particular the 'compulsory process' clause of the 6'th. Not only are each of us due, but government is REQUIRED to provide it under all criminal cases involving $20 or more. Amendment V No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation. Amendment VI In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence. -- ____________________________________________________________________ "...where annual election ends, tyranny begins;" Thomas Jefferson & Samuel Adams The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage@ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------
On Sat, 9 Jun 2001, Jim Choate wrote:
It's already trumped by a stronger requirement in the 5'th and 6'th, in particular the 'compulsory process' clause of the 6'th. Not only are each of us due, but government is REQUIRED to provide it under all criminal cases involving $20 or more.
Yeah. Go tell that to Jim Bell. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin@mfn.org If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place... --------------------------------------------------------------------
On Sun, 10 Jun 2001 measl@mfn.org wrote:
On Sat, 9 Jun 2001, Jim Choate wrote:
It's already trumped by a stronger requirement in the 5'th and 6'th, in particular the 'compulsory process' clause of the 6'th. Not only are each of us due, but government is REQUIRED to provide it under all criminal cases involving $20 or more.
Yeah. Go tell that to Jim Bell.
What should be and what is are seldom the same, granted. Of course, that's one of the reasons this list exists, to bring them together (at least metaphoricaly). -- ____________________________________________________________________ "...where annual election ends, tyranny begins;" Thomas Jefferson & Samuel Adams The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage@ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------
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