CDR: More Columbine fall-out
Schools must give police blueprints ALBANY - Schools will be required to submit copies of their building plans to local police and fire departments under legislation recently signed into law by Gov. George Pataki. The legislation, proposed by Assemblyman Ronald Canestrari, D-Cohoes, was inspired by last year's shootings at Columbine High School. Canestrari said police at the scene in Colorado did not have floor plans for the school building, which slowed their response to the tragedy. When he introduced the bill last year, Canestrari said a spot check of school districts in the Capital Region showed that some already share building plans with local public safety officials. But others did not, and there was no such mandate in state law, he said. Canestrari's "School Emergency Preparedness Act," sponsored in the Senate by Vincent Leibell, R-Patterson, is to take effect in March 2001. -- Steve Furlong, Computer Condottiere Have GNU, will travel 518-374-4720 sfurlong@acmenet.net
On Fri, 29 Sep 2000, Steven Furlong wrote:
Schools must give police blueprints
ALBANY - Schools will be required to submit copies of their building plans to local police and fire departments under legislation recently signed into law by Gov. George Pataki.
The legislation, proposed by Assemblyman Ronald Canestrari, D-Cohoes, was inspired by last year's shootings at Columbine High School. Canestrari said police at the scene in Colorado did not have floor plans for the school building, which slowed their response to the tragedy.
I wonder if they will practice their raids by converting the plans into Quake III levels... alan@ctrl-alt-del.com | Note to AOL users: for a quick shortcut to reply Alan Olsen | to my mail, just hit the ctrl, alt and del keys. "In the future, everything will have its 15 minutes of blame."
On Fri, 29 Sep 2000, Alan Olsen wrote:
I wonder if they will practice their raids by converting the plans into Quake III levels...
That would be even more satisfying, here - building blueprints have to be turned over to the city building office regardless of whether the building is public or not. I.e., there exists a central database in every town mapping out - at best in millimetre accuracy, thanks to GPS - its layout. I've always thought that realizing such a map would be a fun exercise in 3D coding, especially if applied online... Sampo Syreeni <decoy@iki.fi>, aka decoy, student/math/Helsinki university
On Fri, 29 Sep 2000, Steven Furlong wrote:
Schools must give police blueprints
ALBANY - Schools will be required to submit copies of their building plans to local police and fire departments under legislation recently signed into law by Gov. George Pataki.
Wow, in Texas you can't even build a building or house until the blueprints are registered. Normaly you can't get the permits nor will the contractors take on the job either. There's something deeper here. ____________________________________________________________________ He is able who thinks he is able. Buddha The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage@ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------
At 05:09 PM 29/09/00 -0500, Jim Choate wrote:
On Fri, 29 Sep 2000, Steven Furlong wrote:
Schools must give police blueprints
ALBANY - Schools will be required to submit copies of their building plans to local police and fire departments under legislation recently signed into law by Gov. George Pataki.
Wow, in Texas you can't even build a building or house until the blueprints are registered. Normaly you can't get the permits nor will the contractors take on the job either.
There's something deeper here.
Yeah. Why wouldn't schools, other public buildings want the fire department, police force to have floor plans? Something deeper, indeed. Reese
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At 05:09 PM 29/09/00 -0500, Jim Choate wrote:
On Fri, 29 Sep 2000, Steven Furlong wrote:
Schools must give police blueprints
Wow, in Texas you can't even build a building or house until the blueprints are registered. Normaly you can't get the permits nor will the contractors take on the job either.
There's something deeper here.
Yeah. Why wouldn't schools, other public buildings want the fire department, police force to have floor plans? Something deeper, indeed.
The buildings have to be registered with the city engineer or such like, but not previously with police and fire departments. I guess the public buildings can reasonably be required to file their plans, though even there I'd object: the school district and the city are disjoint entities, with the former not subordinate to the latter. And what about private schools? Day cares? Home schoolers? And state office buildings? Someone goes on a rampage in a government office building every few years. And big businesses, for the same reason? I haven't been able to find a reference to the actual law on the NYS legislature's web site, but it'll probably be there in a few days. (Or not; some things never show up at all.) I'll post the juicy details, if any. One further point I should have made when I posted the article this morning: the first police on the scene at Columbine were apparently ready to go in, find the shooters, and stop them however they could. They would have had approximately equal armament than the two shooters, and much better training and experience. The cops were told to wait by the (chief of police|sherrif) until overwhelming force arrived. The moaning over the absense of the floor plan seems at best to be misdirection. It might make sense to give the fire department the blueprints of most large buildings, including public schools; I don't know enough about firefighting to say whether it would be of practical use. This should be voluntary, though. I don't see any justifiable reason to give them to the police. Increasingly annoyed, SRF -- Steve Furlong, Computer Condottiere Have GNU, will travel 518-374-4720 sfurlong@acmenet.net
On Fri, 29 Sep 2000, Steve Furlong wrote:
The buildings have to be registered with the city engineer or such like, but not previously with police and fire departments.
I know for a fact the building has to meet fire code and that the fire dept. as a matter of course has access to these records 24 hours a day. Police can get access at any time as well since these records are public. Sounds to me like they want the end user to pay for extra copies the fire dept. and police can have in their own databanks. ____________________________________________________________________ He is able who thinks he is able. Buddha The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage@ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------
At 05:09 PM 9/29/00 -0500, Jim Choate wrote:
On Fri, 29 Sep 2000, Steven Furlong wrote:
Schools must give police blueprints ALBANY - Schools will be required to submit copies of their building plans to local police and fire departments under legislation recently signed into law by Gov. George Pataki.
Wow, in Texas you can't even build a building or house until the blueprints are registered. Normaly you can't get the permits nor will the contractors take on the job either. There's something deeper here.
The police and fire departments want them so that if there's an emergency, they can get at them quickly. The blueprints registered at the town/township/county building department were probably looked at once and stuck in a box, maybe kept in a warehouse, and not looked at again once the check cleared (or in the case of New Jersey, once the required bribe was paid.) Not something you can get to in a hurry, if it was even kept. Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, bill.stewart@pobox.com PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639
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