CDR: Arthur Anderson black-bagged, NIPC now spooking
"Arthur Andersen's office in Vilnius has reportedly fallen victim to electronic surveillance operations. Following the discovery of suspicious equiptment in the office, Andersen called on the Lithuanian authorities to open an investigation into what it views as a case of economic espionage. Another firm highly active in the region, J. Kabasinka & Partners, is said to have also been subjected to similar surveillance" Intelligence Newsletter 12 Oct 2000 p3 indigo-net.com [no affil.] Also a notes that FBI now training NIPC in Carnivore use. "Previously the FBI had sworn NIPC was not engaged in law enforcement surveillance." p 5 same issue. Will scan sources for John's library.
At 3:57 PM -0500 11/29/00, David Honig wrote:
"Arthur Andersen's office in Vilnius has reportedly fallen victim to electronic surveillance operations. Following the discovery of suspicious equiptment in the office, Andersen called on the Lithuanian authorities to open an investigation into what it views as a case of economic espionage. Another firm highly active in the region, J. Kabasinka & Partners, is said to have also been subjected to similar surveillance"
Intelligence Newsletter 12 Oct 2000 p3 indigo-net.com [no affil.]
Also a notes that FBI now training NIPC in Carnivore use. "Previously the FBI had sworn NIPC was not engaged in law enforcement surveillance." p 5 same issue.
I don't know what "NIPC" means, but I thought at first you meant that NIPC was in Lithuania. Perhaps not. But the point is still interesting: recall that Louis Freeh and the other spook chiefs were making much about sending teams over to Russia, Ukraine, Georgia, Lithuania, etc. to teach them the essentials of creating a _modern_ police state. No doubt Carnivore is being deployed outside the U.S., and without a _fraction_ of the public discussiong being seen here. (BTW, there is little discussion of the commercial espionage aspects of Carnivore. I know that Intel must be thrilled at the prospect that a Carnivore box attached to some node that their traffic flows through will suck up all of _Intel's_ traffic. With luck, it will convince companies like Intel and Microsoft to much more widely deploy crypto for communications which might be intercepted by Carnivores.) --Tim May -- (This .sig file has not been significantly changed since 1992. As the election debacle unfolds, it is time to prepare a new one. Stay tuned.)
On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Tim May wrote:
(BTW, there is little discussion of the commercial espionage aspects of Carnivore. I know that Intel must be thrilled at the prospect that a Carnivore box attached to some node that their traffic flows through will suck up all of _Intel's_ traffic. With luck, it will convince companies like Intel and Microsoft to much more widely deploy crypto for communications which might be intercepted by Carnivores.)
Carnivore is a toy compared to other commercial tools already out there. Look at the products from MuTek for example, their 'black box' technology was done for the CIA. ____________________________________________________________________ Before a larger group can see the virtue of an idea, a smaller group must first understand it. "Stranger Suns" George Zebrowski The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage@ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------
At 04:52 PM 11/29/00 -0500, Tim May wrote:
At 3:57 PM -0500 11/29/00, David Honig wrote:
"Arthur Andersen's office in Vilnius has reportedly fallen victim to electronic surveillance operations.
Also a notes that FBI now training NIPC in Carnivore use. "Previously the FBI had sworn NIPC was not engaged in law enforcement surveillance." p 5 same issue.
I don't know what "NIPC" means, but I thought at first you meant that NIPC was in Lithuania. Perhaps not.
Um, was it unreasonable to assume that readers of dis here forum would recognize Nat'l Infrastruct. Protection Center (in the context of FBI)? TimSim 2.01 indicates you should have recognized the acronym. Do I need a service pack :-) update on that?
At 5:26 PM -0500 11/29/00, David Honig wrote:
At 04:52 PM 11/29/00 -0500, Tim May wrote:
At 3:57 PM -0500 11/29/00, David Honig wrote:
"Arthur Andersen's office in Vilnius has reportedly fallen victim to electronic surveillance operations.
Also a notes that FBI now training NIPC in Carnivore use. "Previously the FBI had sworn NIPC was not engaged in law enforcement surveillance." p 5 same issue.
I don't know what "NIPC" means, but I thought at first you meant that NIPC was in Lithuania. Perhaps not.
Um, was it unreasonable to assume that readers of dis here forum would recognize Nat'l Infrastruct. Protection Center (in the context of FBI)?
TimSim 2.01 indicates you should have recognized the acronym. Do I need a service pack :-) update on that?
I don't try to keep current on all of the acronyms used by the TLAs for their IFTC efforts. Part of AOL, I guess. --Tim May -- (This .sig file has not been significantly changed since 1992. As the election debacle unfolds, it is time to prepare a new one. Stay tuned.)
On Wed, Nov 29, 2000 at 04:52:49PM -0500, Tim May wrote:
I don't know what "NIPC" means, but I thought at first you meant that NIPC was in Lithuania. Perhaps not.
FBI's National Infrastructure Protection Center. I'm on an ABA panel tomorrow with Michael Vatis, the head. Should be cybercast; I'll find details. -Declan
Vatis ducked out at the last minute and sent his deputy. Cypherpunks will note another familiar face there: http://www.mccullagh.org/image/950-17/aba-netspionage-broadcast.html -Declan On Wed, Nov 29, 2000 at 10:50:20PM -0500, Declan McCullagh wrote:
On Wed, Nov 29, 2000 at 04:52:49PM -0500, Tim May wrote:
I don't know what "NIPC" means, but I thought at first you meant that NIPC was in Lithuania. Perhaps not.
FBI's National Infrastructure Protection Center. I'm on an ABA panel tomorrow with Michael Vatis, the head. Should be cybercast; I'll find details.
-Declan
At 9:13 AM -0500 on 12/1/00, Declan McCullagh wrote:
Cypherpunks will note another familiar face there:
http://www.mccullagh.org/image/950-17/aba-netspionage-broadcast.html
Stewwwwieeeee!!!! The man who personally told Mr. Pizza Connection, Looie "The Tap" Freeh, the only man in legal history to make his AAG bones on wiretap data alone, that the crypto pony was out of the barn and that he'd better hurry up and catch it before it got away. Pity he left on his Gucci loafers instead of changing into his Green Wellies. Yuck, Looie, wipe off your feet before you go into the Oval office, next time. Cheers, RAH -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah@ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 11:16:22AM -0500, R. A. Hettinga wrote:
Stewwwwieeeee!!!!
Right! His eyebrows have actually grown considerably longer since this photo (and I didn't think such a thing was possible, given the laws of gravity): http://www.mccullagh.org/image/6/stewart-baker.html -Declan
I want to tell you what David Honig <cypherpunks@openpgp.net> said about "Re: Arthur Anderson black-bagged, N" on 29 Nov 2000, at 17:26
Um, was it unreasonable to assume that readers of dis here forum would recognize Nat'l Infrastruct. Protection Center (in the context of FBI)?
Perhaps. Some of us are lurking here to learn more about this stuff, so any and all clarifications on obscure acronyms are appreciated. --Bob.
participants (7)
-
Bob Jonkman -
David Honig -
Declan McCullagh -
Declan McCullagh -
Jim Choate -
R. A. Hettinga -
Tim May