(a) Offense. - Whoever, within the United States, provides material support or resources or conceals or disguises the nature, location, source, or ownership of material support or resources, knowing or intending that they are to be used in preparation for, or in carrying out, a violation of [XYZ]
Obviously AT&T is innocent since they did not know or intend and likewise so is a remailer operator who is not privy to the schemes of the terrorists so has no knowlege or intent. Or does innocence depend upon the depth of one's pockets? I doubt getting rid of remailers is so simple as the authorities that be not liking them. There's some time and effort involved and success is not certain. While they're at it might as well get rid of personal ads and public bulletin boards newsgroups ad infinitum. Our speech-restricting politicians are worthless. Mike
On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 05:26:52PM -0700, mmotyka@lsil.com wrote:
Or does innocence depend upon the depth of one's pockets?
Looks like you already know the answer to *that* question... -Declan (who may be becoming overly pessimistic)
On Saturday, September 15, 2001, at 12:17 AM, Declan McCullagh wrote:
On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 05:26:52PM -0700, mmotyka@lsil.com wrote:
Or does innocence depend upon the depth of one's pockets?
Looks like you already know the answer to *that* question...
-Declan (who may be becoming overly pessimistic)
It's nearly impossible to be overly pessimistic... -- Bush asks for $20 billion, Congress doubles it to $40 billion (to be handed out in many cases to defense contractor buddies) -- Bush asks for restrictions on some civil liberties, Congress proposes to repeal the Bill of Rights The freight train is now an express train. Even online cyber-activists are calling for suspending big chunks of the Constitution. It is everything Franklin, Jefferson, and the Founders warned us about. The United States does not _deserve_ saving. Fuck them all. --Tim May
-- On 15 Sep 2001, at 7:57, Tim May wrote:
-- Bush asks for restrictions on some civil liberties, Congress proposes to repeal the Bill of Rights
You panic prematurely. On current trends, the bill of rights will not be repealed for a couple of decades. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG LuacOjQ1NCNwaV9qFhIBnzxy9OYGkP0GQEhOJR1+ 420XdYlijSp3IJwRuq9GWFCWCM3NzzaRo55WVXYZJ
At 07:57 AM 09/15/2001 -0700, Tim May wrote:
It's nearly impossible to be overly pessimistic... -- Bush asks for $20 billion, Congress doubles it to $40 billion (to be handed out in many cases to defense contractor buddies)
There are two separate things going on there - half of that money is for fixing New York; the other half is for getting revenge on Bush's Enemies List and letting the Military-Industrial Complex go kill people so that the Americans believe Bush Is Not A Wimp.
-- Bush asks for restrictions on some civil liberties, Congress proposes to repeal the Bill of Rights
Bush has been somewhat milder than the more rabid Congresscritters, but some of that's just the basic Bell Curve plus media behavior - with 500+ of them, you'd expect the more extreme to sound fairly extremist, and you'd expect the media to cover the extremists.
On Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 09:33:32PM -0700, Bill Stewart wrote:
Bush has been somewhat milder than the more rabid Congresscritters, but some of that's just the basic Bell Curve plus media behavior - with 500+ of them, you'd expect the more extreme to sound fairly extremist, and you'd expect the media to cover the extremists.
Actually the media behavior in this case isn't that terrible. We're pretty much talking to the same folks we usually do. Look at the guests on yesterday's AM shows: Armey, McCain, Gephardt, Cabinet members. These same folks go on every week. -Declan
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