At 08:19 PM 9/23/00 -0400, Jim Choate wrote:
On Sat, 23 Sep 2000, David Honig wrote:
Having a child gives you no extra rights to control others' behavior.
No?
It gives the parent the right to tell other parties to leave the child alone. It also means the parent has the responsibility of protecting that child from harm, as the parent sees it.
So if someone gives their kid a buck and drops them off at a video arcade, who has initiated action? The parent, not the arcade.
As a business in a economic system, you have a responsibility to provide products and services that the customer wants, not what you want. Not only is the party a bad citizen, they're a bad economic partner as well.
No, you can sell what you want, but you won't sell much if its not what's wanted. That's called a market. "Bad" as judged by you, Tipper Gore, etc., matters less than that quantity intended by the phrase "a rat's ass". You have an obligation to stay out of voluntary transactions, like the offering and buying of content.
On Sun, 24 Sep 2000, David Honig wrote:
So if someone gives their kid a buck and drops them off at a video arcade, who has initiated action? The parent, not the arcade.
Ah, but now you've changed the topic of discussion and hoping nobody will notice. We're not talking about the behaviour of the kid or the parents right to drop them off. We ARE talking about the responsibility of a vendor to provide information to the consumer (which is after all the parent even if the kid is spending the money by proxie) per the standard free market model. Simply because the kid was dropped off does not eliminate the responsiblity of the vendor to the parent. Remember, for a free market to work the information must be shared AND maximized. This means that even if one parent walks in and asks the games to be rate the vendors responsibility is to maximize that information. Per Hayek, - a homogenous commodity offered and demanded by a large number of relatively small sellers or buyers, none of whom expects to exercise by his action a perceptible influence on price. - Free entry into the market and absence of other restraints on the movement of prices and resources. - Complete knowledge of the relevant factors on the part of all participants in the market. It's that last one that blows your thesis straight to hell. ____________________________________________________________________ He is able who thinks he is able. Buddha The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage@ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------
On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, Jim Choate wrote:
Remember, for a free market to work the information must be shared AND maximized. This means that even if one parent walks in and asks the games to be rate the vendors responsibility is to maximize that information. [Snip] - Complete knowledge of the relevant factors on the part of all participants in the market.
Aren't you applying this principle rather liberally? I thought it was meant to apply to factors participating directly in price formation, nothing else. Sampo Syreeni <decoy@iki.fi>, aka decoy, student/math/Helsinki university
On Thu, 28 Sep 2000, Sampo A Syreeni wrote:
Aren't you applying this principle rather liberally? I thought it was meant to apply to factors participating directly in price formation, nothing else.
No, I am applying it quite literaly to the actors in the market. It was meant to apply to the market and its consituents in toto. You really should go back and read what Hayek (and Von Mises, etc.) really said about competition and free markets. The facts have been seriously mis-represented. The requirement is meant to relate to ANY factor in the market that interacts with the participants and the exchange (not the particular price for that particular exchange). ____________________________________________________________________ He is able who thinks he is able. Buddha The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage@ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------
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